Travel warning to New Mexicans (violent crime, transfer to, assessment)
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How about a penny, or is that too much also? Us old farts are doing just fine here in AZ, but I have to warn you, we will be in New Mexico in less than 2 months for about 10 days.
Sorry JDTH, I forgot to put one of these in that post.
I was trying to be funny/sarcastic, believe me, New mexico has plenty of old farts too.
I'm glad I'm not traveling to AZ though, I'm kinda brown.
Pancho_NM: While I offer any opinion I have with humility and a willingness to be wrong, after reading the document (Arizona Legislative provisions for SB 1070) again, I am really having trouble agreeing with you. It states, under the 'enforcement' section, that an officer may stop anyone for a legitimate reason, ie: any infraction of the law, and may request proof of citizenship in any such circumstance; if an individual is unable to provide proof, they may be transported immediately to a federal prison in AZ or any state; after said imprisonment, the individual may then be transported to the custody of immigration. I welcome any clarification you can offer that may help me see your point of view.
if an individual is unable to provide proof, they may be transported immediately to a federal prison in AZ or any state; after said imprisonment, the individual may then be transported to the custody of immigration. I welcome any clarification you can offer that may help me see your point of view.
Ah, and there's the rub. the feds can tell the cop to get lost and take his prisoner elsewhere. Can't wait to see what AZ does when its prisons become overloaded and they have to start releasing real criminals because of all the illegals. And don't think they can just stick them anywhere or send them back across the border. A Federal judge will make sure they're treated humanely, at great expense to the citizens of the state. These grandiose ideas quickly lose their luster when the local taxpayers are left picking up the tab. We have a county next door to us here in Northern VA that learned that lesson the hard wahy when they tried to do the same thing as AZ.
Addendum to my last post....I see my error (though it seems a bit like splitting hairs).....you will be 'detained' until your citizenship status is established; then if it is found you are an illegal, you will be sent to federal prison. I still have trouble seeing how this is not a violation of human rights and the Constitution. I think there are better ways to address the immigration issue. I think there may be a little politicking here, ie: Arizona lawmakers may think that if they enact an obviously backwards law, the Federal government might react by taking action on the immigration issue that is satisfactory to them. Seems like a bit of a stretch.
Addendum to my last post....I see my error (though it seems a bit like splitting hairs).....
It might not be splitting hairs when you are the one with the cuffs on your wrists...
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you will be 'detained' until your citizenship status is established; then if it is found you are an illegal, you will be sent to federal prison.
I still have trouble seeing how this is not a violation of human rights and the Constitution.
What detaining an individual suspected of committing a crime? How is that any different than a suspected bank robber, murderer, rapist, child molester, thief. But that is not the topic of this thread.
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I think there are better ways to address the immigration issue.
Probably many different ways. People have been saying that since the early 1900's. But that also is not the topic of this thread.
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I think there may be a little politicking here, ie: Arizona lawmakers may think that if they enact an obviously backwards law, the Federal government might react by taking action on the immigration issue that is satisfactory to them. Seems like a bit of a stretch.
Arizona has passed a law that makes it a violation of state law to be an illegal alien in the state of Arizona...
But the issue is, the New Mexico Drivers license is not proof of citizenship and some people feel that New Mexican's may be arrested if they do not carry extra documentation if they travel to Arizona.
Because issuance of drivers license is a state responsibility while immigration is the perview of the Federal government. States should have the right to determine their licensing policies and practices without being dictated to by the Federal Government. Next the feds will tell the states they can't issue marriage licenses to anyone who hasn't established legal presence or met some other Federal requirement. I'm glad to see NM standing up to Federal overreach.
Well than I guess Arizona needs to figure out what to do if they issue driver's license. I am not sure what kind of papers an American would have then. Most people do not have passports. Well anyway as everyone says it is a State thing so let them figure out what and how to do it. It shouldn't be the rest of us business. I sure don't want the FEDS getting involved with us Okies.
Addendum to my last post....I see my error (though it seems a bit like splitting hairs).....you will be 'detained' until your citizenship status is established; then if it is found you are an illegal, you will be sent to federal prison.
How can you be sent to Federal prison under a state law? Why would the feds even have to subsequently accept any prisoners, prosecute, or deport someone because of this law? Is this going to clog up the Arizona state prisons when the feds refuse to cooperate? What would prevent the administration from pulling all border enforcement out of AZ until the law is repealed? Just askin'?
Well than I guess Arizona needs to figure out what to do if they issue driver's license. I am not sure what kind of papers an American would have then. Most people do not have passports. Well anyway as everyone says it is a State thing so let them figure out what and how to do it. It shouldn't be the rest of us business. I sure don't want the FEDS getting involved with us Okies.
Probably a good idea to get a passport and be done with it.
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