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The cops are not coming ... unless a violent crime occurs..good luck having the cops come out. They are busy frisking random people for no reason!
Here is where you go off the tracks.
Gentrification is only occurring, because the NYPD's pro-active tactics have reduced the number of thugs on the streets, and the numbers of guns on the remaining thugs. Those getting frisked match the description of those committing street crimes.
2,200 murders annually have been reduced to 500. NYC's murder rate is the lowest among US cities of 1 million or more, among the lowest of cities above 250K. The white murder rate is 1 per 100,000, one-fifth of our national rate and bettered only by a few European countries and Japan. List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I live in ... a very well thought out new building. ... I don't know what type of double paned glass was used, but you can hardly hear a thing when the windows are closed ... there is retail space at the base of the building but any business selling food or alcohol are barred
So, 5,000 more buildings like yours, and NYC is saved!
Bigjake..by the NYPD's own admission the "proactive stop and frisk policy" DOESN'T WORK. Have you not read the statistics? They are not doing it to get criminals off the street...they are doing it to subjugate the population, instill fear of the police, and further expand their own power and control. Crime rates have been falling for 2 decades in all but a handful of places across the country..NONE of which utilize this horrible tactic.
Bigjake, or anyone else who things "stop and frisk" is an effective and good tactic, I encourage you to move to those neighborhoods where it is employed relentlessly and pose as a person of color. You will then see the ugly face of this policy, and why it doesn't work to do anything other than alienate the community and create increased hostility with cops...just what we need right!
What you will enounter:
1. Walk down the street to buy milk, and get thrown up against the wall and frisked. Cops will be rude/condescending/loud/belligerent. They find nothing and simply walk away.
2. Enter your building (where you live), and get thrown up against the wall in the hallway and frisked. Cops will be rude/condescending/loud/belligerent. They find nothing and simply walk away.
3. Talk to your neighbor in front of the bakery and get thrown up against the wall and frisked. Cops will be rude/condescending/loud/belligerent. They find nothing and simply walk away.
4. Walk to school and get thrown up against the wall and frisked. Cops will be rude/condescending/loud/belligerent. They find nothing and simply walk away.
5. And GOD FORBID you are talking with 2 other people on a corner..that guarantees you all get thrown up against the wall and frisked. Cops will be rude/condescending/loud/belligerent. They find nothing and simply walk away.
Now picture that on a regular basis, over and over again..for ..umm..I dunno..15 years? Then come back and tell me how great and effective the policy is..how your community is so happy now because of this, and how the cops are just darlings and helping you and the community.
But then nobody will ever realize that because it isn't happening to them. And if you prefer not to go through that wonderful experience, please feel free to have cops go into your home anytime they want for any reason...because it is for your safety and no doubt they will find some guns or drugs somewhere in the neighborhood...therefore going into your house and searching at their will is a good policy...right?
Gentrification is only occurring, because the NYPD's pro-active tactics
Gentrification of Manhattans lower east side was made possible by NYPD Operation pressure point that put a uniform cop on every corner and flooded the area with plain cloths cops arresting drug users and dealers.
NYPD instituted a policy where arrests were made for any infraction and did warrant checks which took a lot of career criminals off the street and no DATs were issued every one was put through the system .
With the Manhattan DA and landlords they instituted the no trespass program where landlords gave permission to cops to do vertical patrols in their building and arrest anyone that didn't belong.
So the criminals hanging out in the building lobby,stairway.roofs etc.. were arrested and charged with criminal trespass if they didn't live in the building or had a tenant vouch for them
This pushed the criminals into the projects, uptown to Washington Heights, Bronx, NJ and even up state NY.
Then Housing Police did the same thing in the projects.
Department of Housing and Urban Development's controversial "one-strike" regulation, C.F.R. [sections] 966.4, empowers local public housing authorities ("PHAs") to terminate a resident's tenancy for "any criminal activity that threatens the health, safety, or quiet enjoyment of the PHAs ... premises ... or (B) any drug-related criminal activity on or near the premises."(6) Section 966.4 extends far beyond evicting individuals for their own criminal actions; it creates a cause for termination of tenancy where a "tenant, any member of the household, a guest, or another person under the tenant's control," engages in criminal activity.(7)
Newburgh in upstate NY had their crime rate go up when criminals pushed out of NYC sought safer havens to ply their drug dealing crafts.
The crime rate in Puerto Rico went up when a lot when drug dealers took the money they made in the Lower East Side and went back to the PR because the NYPD made Manhattan too hot.
This is what must be done in the Bronx.
Unfortunately the city was willing to spend millions on police over time to gentrify Manhattan but they will
not spend the money for the Bronx, Brooklyn .
Gentrification of Manhattans lower east side was made possible by NYPD Operation pressure point that put a uniform cop on every corner and flooded the area with plain cloths cops arresting drug users and dealers.
NYPD instituted a policy where arrests were made for any infraction and did warrant checks which took a lot of career criminals off the street and no DATs were issued every one was put through the system .
With the Manhattan DA and landlords they instituted the no trespass program where landlords gave permission to cops to do vertical patrols in their building and arrest anyone that didn't belong.
So the criminals hanging out in the building lobby,stairway.roofs etc.. were arrested and charged with criminal trespass if they didn't live in the building or had a tenant vouch for them
This pushed the criminals into the projects, uptown to Washington Heights, Bronx, NJ and even up state NY.
Then Housing Police did the same thing in the projects.
Department of Housing and Urban Development's controversial "one-strike" regulation, C.F.R. [sections] 966.4, empowers local public housing authorities ("PHAs") to terminate a resident's tenancy for "any criminal activity that threatens the health, safety, or quiet enjoyment of the PHAs ... premises ... or (B) any drug-related criminal activity on or near the premises."(6) Section 966.4 extends far beyond evicting individuals for their own criminal actions; it creates a cause for termination of tenancy where a "tenant, any member of the household, a guest, or another person under the tenant's control," engages in criminal activity.(7)
Newburgh in upstate NY had their crime rate go up when criminals pushed out of NYC sought safer havens to ply their drug dealing crafts.
The crime rate in Puerto Rico went up when a lot when drug dealers took the money they made in the Lower East Side and went back to the PR because the NYPD made Manhattan too hot.
This is what must be done in the Bronx.
Unfortunately the city was willing to spend millions on police over time to gentrify Manhattan but they will
not spend the money for the Bronx, Brooklyn .
Funny thing is NYPD treats Tourist and gentrifying Transplants like crap, come one NYPD cops already raped two out of town white women.
Bigjake..by the NYPD's own admission the "proactive stop and frisk policy" DOESN'T WORK. Have you not read the statistics? They are not doing it to get criminals off the street...they are doing it to subjugate the population, instill fear of the police, and further expand their own power and control. Crime rates have been falling for 2 decades in all but a handful of places across the country..NONE of which utilize this horrible tactic.
Bigjake, or anyone else who things "stop and frisk" is an effective and good tactic, I encourage you to move to those neighborhoods where it is employed relentlessly and pose as a person of color. You will then see the ugly face of this policy, and why it doesn't work to do anything other than alienate the community and create increased hostility with cops...just what we need right!
What you will enounter:
1. Walk down the street to buy milk, and get thrown up against the wall and frisked. Cops will be rude/condescending/loud/belligerent. They find nothing and simply walk away.
2. Enter your building (where you live), and get thrown up against the wall in the hallway and frisked. Cops will be rude/condescending/loud/belligerent. They find nothing and simply walk away.
3. Talk to your neighbor in front of the bakery and get thrown up against the wall and frisked. Cops will be rude/condescending/loud/belligerent. They find nothing and simply walk away.
4. Walk to school and get thrown up against the wall and frisked. Cops will be rude/condescending/loud/belligerent. They find nothing and simply walk away.
5. And GOD FORBID you are talking with 2 other people on a corner..that guarantees you all get thrown up against the wall and frisked. Cops will be rude/condescending/loud/belligerent. They find nothing and simply walk away.
Now picture that on a regular basis, over and over again..for ..umm..I dunno..15 years? Then come back and tell me how great and effective the policy is..how your community is so happy now because of this, and how the cops are just darlings and helping you and the community.
But then nobody will ever realize that because it isn't happening to them. And if you prefer not to go through that wonderful experience, please feel free to have cops go into your home anytime they want for any reason...because it is for your safety and no doubt they will find some guns or drugs somewhere in the neighborhood...therefore going into your house and searching at their will is a good policy...right?
This liberal Judges agree with you and released these poor victims of NYC's racist police dept.
Judges free another kid caught with gun in stop-and-frisk
Jaquan Morant, then 14, was busted on June 11, 2010, outside the drug-plagued Manhattanville Houses in West Harlem with a 9mm pistol.
Jaquan has two prior busts, for robbery and grand larceny.
Gentrification of Manhattans lower east side was made possible by NYPD Operation pressure point that put a uniform cop on every corner and flooded the area with plain cloths cops arresting drug users and dealers.
NYPD instituted a policy where arrests were made for any infraction and did warrant checks which took a lot of career criminals off the street and no DATs were issued every one was put through the system .
With the Manhattan DA and landlords they instituted the no trespass program where landlords gave permission to cops to do vertical patrols in their building and arrest anyone that didn't belong.
So the criminals hanging out in the building lobby,stairway.roofs etc.. were arrested and charged with criminal trespass if they didn't live in the building or had a tenant vouch for them
This pushed the criminals into the projects, uptown to Washington Heights, Bronx, NJ and even up state NY.
Then Housing Police did the same thing in the projects.
Department of Housing and Urban Development's controversial "one-strike" regulation, C.F.R. [sections] 966.4, empowers local public housing authorities ("PHAs") to terminate a resident's tenancy for "any criminal activity that threatens the health, safety, or quiet enjoyment of the PHAs ... premises ... or (B) any drug-related criminal activity on or near the premises."(6) Section 966.4 extends far beyond evicting individuals for their own criminal actions; it creates a cause for termination of tenancy where a "tenant, any member of the household, a guest, or another person under the tenant's control," engages in criminal activity.(7)
Newburgh in upstate NY had their crime rate go up when criminals pushed out of NYC sought safer havens to ply their drug dealing crafts.
The crime rate in Puerto Rico went up when a lot when drug dealers took the money they made in the Lower East Side and went back to the PR because the NYPD made Manhattan too hot.
This is what must be done in the Bronx.
Unfortunately the city was willing to spend millions on police over time to gentrify Manhattan but they will
not spend the money for the Bronx, Brooklyn .
This liberal Judges agree with you and released these poor victims of NYC's racist police dept.
Judges free another kid caught with gun in stop-and-frisk
Jaquan Morant, then 14, was busted on June 11, 2010, outside the drug-plagued Manhattanville Houses in West Harlem with a 9mm pistol.
Jaquan has two prior busts, for robbery and grand larceny.
It's the guilty people who have to challenge the stop and frisk tactics, because when an innocent person is unjustly harassed, there's not a damn thing he can do about it. For every gun-wielding drug dealing thug frisked without reason, there's probably 100 perfectly innocent people who get the same treatment.
Stop and frisk is in place because of cetain segments of society's failure to police themselves, their failure to make behavior like children carrying guns and knives etc. as unacceptable - totally unacceptable.
The problem is, it paints with much too broad a brush, and thus engenders resentment.
How about letting the residents of each precinct vote on whether they permit stop n frisk in their precinct?
Stop and frisk is in place because of cetain segments of society's failure to police themselves, their failure to make behavior like children carrying guns and knives etc. as unacceptable - totally unacceptable.
The problem is, it paints with much too broad a brush, and thus engenders resentment.
How about letting the residents of each precinct vote on whether they permit stop n frisk in their precinct?
The major problem with stop and frisk in my opinion that it shows a whole segment of the population that you pretty much expect them to be criminals. Young people will often fulfill peoples expectations of them - it just reinforces a vicious cycle.
A person should not and cannot be responsible for the behaviour of others who look similiar to them. Serial killers are more likely to be white but no one expects the random white person to be a serial killer, just as pedeophiles are overwhelmingly male, yet you don't expect the average male to be a pedeophile.
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