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It's unconstitutional. Period. End of argument. What part of that is not understood? Just as I would love a law that gets rid of every single gun in the US, that can't happen because there is a constitutional right for citizens to (legally) own guns. In this country, the constitution is the final word and unless you're going to amend it, you've got to abide by it.
BS I was stopped and frisked in NYC and I've been stopped and frisked 6 times since January, in the streets of my city in the Paris, France area. I didn't do anything wrong, actually my only fault was wearing a hoodie smh.
Is that right? That's like saying I was dressed like a gang member and wondering why I was stopped. Since some people don't have a clue, presentation still counts for something these days and some people think that they can walk around looking like anything and not expect to be stopped and questioned because of their appearance.
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Originally Posted by jad2k
It's unconstitutional. Period. End of argument. What part of that is not understood? Just as I would love a law that gets rid of every single gun in the US, that can't happen because there is a constitutional right for citizens to (legally) own guns.
Stop and Frisk is not unconstitutional, period. I'm sure you think that Stop and Frisk was what the judge ruled on though.
Is that right? That's like saying I was dressed like a gang member and wondering why I was stopped. Since some people don't have a clue, presentation still counts for something these days and some people think that they can walk around looking like anything and not expect to be stopped and questioned because of their appearance.
Really ??
France and the USA are supposed to be democracies right ? We still got the right to dress the way we want while walking down the street don't we ?
If a suit and tie type of dude was passing by the projects and approached by some young fools asking him why the hell is he doing in their hood dressed like that I bet you'd be the first person to come here and cry about how minorities are savages who don't respect the lives of honest white citizens.
France and the USA are supposed to be democracies right ? We still got the right to dress the way we want while walking down the street don't we ?
If a suit and tie type of dude was passing by the projects and approached by some young fools asking him why the hell is he doing in their hood dressed like that I bet you'd be the first person to come here and cry about how minorities are savages who don't respect the lives of honest white citizens.
Oh, no one said that you can't dress as you please. After all it is a democracy as you pointed out, but don't come here crying wolf about how you are stopped and frisked when you dress in a way that you know will paint you in a negative manner.
I'm sure you were the first one to attack Sarkozy for his justified comments during the civil unrest in France. You had groups going around creating all sorts of unrest in Paris, acting in the most animalistic ways and trying to justify their thuggish behavior, as if their own failures justified them acting out, destroying public and private property. Stop and Frisk has been proven as an important tool for police to fight crime in the U.S. and it's evident that the French understand its importance as well, as they too utilize a similar practice.
Somewhere in Time, this is really not very complicated.
-The Supreme Court has ruled that police may stop, question and frisk people based on REASONABLE SUSPICION that the person has committed or is about to commit a crime.
-The Supreme Court has always, in all cases, ruled that racial profiling is unconstitutional.
Judge Shira Scheindlin's recent ruling found two things:
-The NYPD has a pattern of stopping people WITHOUT reasonable suspicion.
-The NYPD has a pattern of racially profiling.
Now, you may believe she was FACTUALLY mistaken, and the NYPD does not do these things. But there is no debate about what is and is not constitutional. It is unconstitutional to stop people without reasonable suspicion, and it is unconstitional to racially profile. This is long-settled law that no one, including the city, is challenging.
Somewhere in Time, this is really not very complicated.
-The Supreme Court has ruled that police may stop, question and frisk people based on REASONABLE SUSPICION that the person has committed or is about to commit a crime.
-The Supreme Court has always, in all cases, ruled that racial profiling is unconstitutional.
Judge Shira Scheindlin's recent ruling found two things:
-The NYPD has a pattern of stopping people WITHOUT reasonable suspicion.
-The NYPD has a pattern of racially profiling.
Now, you may believe she was FACTUALLY mistaken, and the NYPD does not do these things. But there is no debate about what is and is not constitutional. It is unconstitutional to stop people without reasonable suspicion, and it is unconstitional to racially profile. This is long-settled law that no one, including the city, is challenging.
You're right, it isn't very complicated. What is up for debate is what is considered "reasonable suspicion". The NYPD has a pattern of actively stopping crimes before they occur with ALL groups. How can she argue racial profiling when Blacks and Hispanics commit the most crimes? The rate at which they are stopped and frisked is in line with the amount of crimes they commit.
Several posters here have argued that they are stopped and frisked the most despite their population sizes, with Blacks having the smallest population in the US. However Blacks almost commit the most crime in the US despite having such a small population. If Blacks and Hispanics were stopped and frisked disproportionately to the amount of crime that they commit, then she would have an argument, but that simply isn't the case and you know it. That's something that some people like to "forget" about when they cry racism, but I refuse to do so.
Stop and Frisk has been proven as an important tool for police to fight crime in the U.S. and it's evident that the French understand its importance as well, as they too utilize a similar practice.
And thats exactly the kind of police behavior that led to the riots, people can't stand to get stopped and frisked for no reason on their way back from school/work etc... People are fed up with this BS, we had hard-working parents in the community that lost an eye or an ear because of police brutality and stop and frisk is only another one of those tricks used to humiliate poor and non "white" people and maintain the upper class domination. In a democracy worthy of the name you just cannot stop, frisk and ask people all kinda questions if they didn't commit any crime. That is all. Otherwise it's called living in a dictatorship.
And thats exactly the kind of police behavior that led to the riots, people can't stand to get stopped and frisked for no reason on their way back from school/work etc... People are fed up with this BS, we had hard working parents that lost an eye or an ear because of police brutality and stop and frisk is only another one of those tricks used to humiliate poor/non "white" people and maintain the upper class domination. In a democracy worthy of the name you just cannot stop, frisk and ask people all kinda questions if they didn't commit any crime. That is all. Otherwise it's called living in a dictatorship.
If it wasn't Stop and Frisk, I'm sure those punks would've found some other reason to riot and blame "The Man", but of course we know they're very civilized people, going around burning and flipping over cars because they have a differing of opinions. Very civilized indeed. Surely that will get the cops to see them in a different manner.
If it wasn't Stop and Frisk, I'm sure those punks would've found some other reason to riot and blame "The Man", but of course we know they're very civilized people, going around burning and flipping over cars because they have a differing of opinions. Very civilized indeed. Surely that will get the cops to see them in a different manner.
Grosvenor you know you gonna get banned once again, don't embarrass yourself, just go away.
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