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So ~$3B/year for dealing with illegal children X-ing the mexico-US border?
Do not say that the US politicians are not doing border protection business....it is probably just too many and too difficult to defend the armless invading by the mexicans.
You guys keep saying birth rates are in decline, and I would agree.
EXCEPT in the hispanic "community"
I swear everytime I see a hispanic woman in her late 20s or early 30s there are 4 or 5 kids trailing right behind. As she pushes a troller and looks Pregnant lol
Just seems like a bad idea in this economic climate...
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It is not down amongst Asians in North America either! It is down only amongst whites.
"The U.S. birth rate dipped in 2011 to the lowest ever recorded, led by a plunge in births to immigrant women since the onset of the Great Recession.
The overall U.S. birth rate, which is the annual number of births per 1,000 women in the prime childbearing ages of 15 to 44, declined 8% from 2007 to 2010. The birth rate for U.S.-born women decreased 6% during these years, but the birth rate for foreign-born women plunged 14%—more than it had declined over the entire 1990-2007 period.1 The birth rate for Mexican immigrant women fell even more, by 23%."
Maybe if there were a severe labor shortage and a negative unemployment rate but there isn't, not now or in the foreseeable future. Poorly educated and impoverished people do not create jobs. Someone is going to have to feed, clothe, house, educate and take care of the medical needs of those who don't have jobs. The unemployment rate will skyrocket because of tens of millions of new job seekers who won't be able to get jobs simply because they are not available. Wages will plummet due to even stiffer job competition. The working poor will be effected even more. The people entering this country illegally are takers and not job creators otherwise they would be creating jobs in their own countries and there would be no need to enter the United States illegally. Oh that's right they come from failed socialist countries with abominable living conditions, where it's impossible to succeed. The same type of system and government that "progressives" wish to have here in the United States. By your logic the United States of America would be thriving if only we open our borders to all who wish to come here and force every citizen in the United States to support the entire world's indigent population.
You just destroyed your own pathetic argument.
If we have new individuals in the United States that require certain services. Well then, who the hell is going to provide those services? Seems to me like new jobs will be required. That is basic anti-immigrant rhetoric with absolutely no solid foundation.
Immigrants of all types are movers and shakers by personality (hence why they decided to take the risk of moving into a new society). They are more likely to be entrepreneurs than native born for example.
Immigrants, and especially the undocumented are significantly less likely to utilize public assistance programs than native born. BTW, EVERYONE in the United States receives assistance from the government (the big pot) in some way.
The reasons why many are unable to create the same opportunities in their own countries of origin vary widely (limited access to educational facilities, war, famine, etc), but can be mostly attributed to manipulation by more powerful societies.
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It does when you have more people who are unable to support themselves and fewer people to support them. Eventually it will bankrupt the country and everyone, except those who are in power will be equally miserable.
Jeeze, us your freakin' head!
Maybe you should read a book other than the Communist Manifesto.
Immigrants (especially the undocumented) contribute more towards taxes than they receive in services on average. They are also more likely to contribute in other ways, such as performing occupations most Americans would not (for low wages that keep the price of consumption down).
And your last statement confirms your understanding of communism is as poor as your understanding of immigration.
"The U.S. birth rate dipped in 2011 to the lowest ever recorded, led by a plunge in births to immigrant women since the onset of the Great Recession.
The overall U.S. birth rate, which is the annual number of births per 1,000 women in the prime childbearing ages of 15 to 44, declined 8% from 2007 to 2010. The birth rate for U.S.-born women decreased 6% during these years, but the birth rate for foreign-born women plunged 14%—more than it had declined over the entire 1990-2007 period.1 The birth rate for Mexican immigrant women fell even more, by 23%."
If we have new individuals in the United States that require certain services. Well then, who the hell is going to provide those services? Seems to me like new jobs will be required. That is basic anti-immigrant rhetoric with absolutely no solid foundation.
Immigrants of all types are movers and shakers by personality (hence why they decided to take the risk of moving into a new society). They are more likely to be entrepreneurs than native born for example.
Immigrants, and especially the undocumented are significantly less likely to utilize public assistance programs than native born. BTW, EVERYONE in the United States receives assistance from the government (the big pot) in some way.
The reasons why many are unable to create the same opportunities in their own countries of origin vary widely (limited access to educational facilities, war, famine, etc), but can be mostly attributed to manipulation by more powerful societies.
Immigrants (especially the undocumented) contribute more towards taxes than they receive in services on average. They are also more likely to contribute in other ways, such as performing occupations most Americans would not (for low wages that keep the price of consumption down).
And your last statement confirms your understanding of communism is as poor as your understanding of immigration.
Take a spin into the Village of Brewster in Putnam County. You tell me how the undocumented or illegals are not a drain on that's villages resources. The schools? Police?
Take a spin into the Village of Brewster in Putnam County. You tell me how the undocumented or illegals are not a drain on that's villages resources. The schools? Police?
The undocumented population of Brewster, like in other places, has settled there to work.
"It's the beginning of the daily procession of immigrant workers--most of them from Guatemala and most of them undocumented--as they take their places along Main Street in clusters ranging from three to more than a dozen. They stand curbside waiting to be picked up by the small convoy of trucks and SUVs that circulates through Brewster seven mornings a week, contractors and homeowners looking for a day's work out of men willing to do dirty, hard jobs for wages that most American workers wouldn't even consider."
When you have a population of people without appropriate help, one which most institutions exclude, you will have social problems. The highly publicized crimes are rare in comparison to the economic benefit to the region these people provide.
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"And while many Americans seem comfortable with the concept of cut-rate labor when it comes to home renovation or grounds-keeping, they seem decidedly less sanguine about the consequences of such economics, the most fundamental of which means playing host to a new and very different group of residents in and around their communities."
How do you eliminate or reduce social problems while providing for economic development? You behave preventively and eliminate the barriers that induce such issues. Equity should be the goal, not exclusion due to xenophobia.
The undocumented population of Brewster, like in other places, has settled there to work.
"It's the beginning of the daily procession of immigrant workers--most of them from Guatemala and most of them undocumented--as they take their places along Main Street in clusters ranging from three to more than a dozen. They stand curbside waiting to be picked up by the small convoy of trucks and SUVs that circulates through Brewster seven mornings a week, contractors and homeowners looking for a day's work out of men willing to do dirty, hard jobs for wages that most American workers wouldn't even consider."
When you have a population of people without appropriate help, one which most institutions exclude, you will have social problems. The highly publicized crimes are rare in comparison to the economic benefit to the region these people provide.
Still:
"And while many Americans seem comfortable with the concept of cut-rate labor when it comes to home renovation or grounds-keeping, they seem decidedly less sanguine about the consequences of such economics, the most fundamental of which means playing host to a new and very different group of residents in and around their communities."
Your a 100% correct in your last statement. You have your American who hates when a small business goes out of business but will go to Costco or BJ's to save 32 cents on a bottle of mustard.
But you still sound like someone who wants no borders. When I see people in The Bronx hurting or a city like Detroit reneging on pensions. I want to help AMERICANS first. Would you say America is the most charitable in the whole world? I think so. Look no further then the southside of Chicago. This past weekend over 70 people wounded by gunfire and over 17 killed. Let's reinvest in that community some youth programs or better schools.
Your a 100% correct in your last statement. You have your American who hates when a small business goes out of business but will go to Costco or BJ's to save 32 cents on a bottle of mustard.
But you still sound like someone who wants no borders. When I see people in The Bronx hurting or a city like Detroit reneging on pensions. I want to help AMERICANS first. Would you say America is the most charitable in the whole world? I think so. Look no further then the southside of Chicago. This past weekend over 70 people wounded by gunfire and over 17 killed. Let's reinvest in that community some youth programs or better schools.
Immigrants of all types are coming here to work, they are looking for opportunity. Our most disenfranchised communities could benefit from such leaders. These people are more likely to start a new business than the native born. Their businesses, even their existence creates jobs (+ taxes for services).
More people creates more jobs if the institutions in power provide for it. That means eliminating barriers.
Imagine if depopulated parts of our cities were filled with new people, these people require new services. That is new demand that our existing population cannot fill (or does not want to, see Detroit).
This is what America should be about, not extreme inequality (the status quo).
Don't blame immigrants (undocumented or otherwise) for the ongoing social problems in America. Our true ethos is to blame. One of individualism before community (our economic system of privatization dictates our national attitude).
If we have new individuals in the United States that require certain services. Well then, who the hell is going to provide those services?
The Government, and who the hell do you think is going to pay for it? So that's your solution more government jobs to provide more services to those who do not pay into the system? What happens when the government runs out of other people's money? Do they print more money? Why doesn't the government just make out a check for 10 million dollars to every individual who lives in the United States? That way everyone would be a millionaire and no one would have to work.
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Immigrants of all types are movers and shakers by personality (hence why they decided to take the risk of moving into a new society). They are more likely to be entrepreneurs than native born for example.
How many people do you know of that are gainfully employed in the United States by those illegal invaders? By your logic we should open up our borders and let all of the world's indigent people in, just think we'd all have great jobs that these so called movers and shakers create. They take the risk of moving here not to create jobs but to live off of the American people, whether it be taking their jobs or be taken care of by the social welfare system or private charities.
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Immigrants, and especially the undocumented are significantly less likely to utilize public assistance programs than native born. BTW, EVERYONE in the United States receives assistance from the government (the big pot) in some way.
The hell they don't! They're using our hospitals, educational system and social welfare which they obtain by using fake or stolen identities. They are experts at working the system. The difference is that "EVERYONE" meaning those who are here legally have contributed into the system except for those that for generations have made a living off of the social welfare system.
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The reasons why many are unable to create the same opportunities in their own countries of origin vary widely (limited access to educational facilities, war, famine, etc), but can be mostly attributed to manipulation by more powerful societies.
That is a lame excuse. So we're supposed to educate them so they can take even more and better jobs from American citizens. They're manipulated by their own damn government. Just as we are being manipulated by ours and people that think like you.
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Immigrants (especially the undocumented) contribute more towards taxes than they receive in services on average. They are also more likely to contribute in other ways, such as performing occupations most Americans would not (for low wages that keep the price of consumption down).
Those illegal invaders work off the books and send money back to their home country never paying a dime into the system other than sales taxes. Unfortunately those occupations are unavailable to most Americans as these illegal invaders have taken over. How the hell did we get by and who performed those occupations before the United States was invaded by these illegal trespassers? Growing up I knew plenty of people who worked in the construction and landscaping trades right out of high school doing grunt work and were able to start their own businesses after learning those trades. Those opportunities are no longer available for Americans because of the massive influx of illegal invaders. Now you want to provide even more opportunities to tens of millions of those invaders who say the hell with our immigration laws and pushed themselves to the head of the line in front of all those who have legally immigrated into the United States. On top of that they demand rights and privileges while waving their foreign flags showing no allegiance to the country that they have broken into.
You are one pathetic individual. You are completely out of your mind.
Now go back to reading Karl Marx
Last edited by Ex New Yorker; 07-15-2014 at 09:09 PM..
There's no such thing as an "illegal." That term means nothing except that you're a racist POS who reduces people to their immigration status.
You need to use the term "illegal alien" or "undocumented alien." Seriously, it's just gross to call actual human beings "illegals."
That big L you have tattooed on your chest is showing through your shirt along with your idiotic PCphobia.
I have a friend, in another state, who is a "detention officer", fka "correction" who now "detains" fka "guards" "detainees' fka "youthful offenders". She still works for the "Dept of Corrections" which I think is being renamed to "Home Room".
The Government, and who the hell do you think is going to pay for it? So that's your solution more government jobs to provide more services to those who do not pay into the system? What happens when the government runs out of other people's money? Do they print more money? Why doesn't the government just make out a check for 10 million dollars to every individual who lives in the United States? That way everyone would be a millionaire and no one would have to work.
How many people do you know of that are gainfully employed in the United States by those illegal invaders? By your logic we should open up our borders and let all of the world's indigent people in, just think we'd all have great jobs that these so called movers and shakers create. They take the risk of moving here not to create jobs but to live off of the American people, whether it be taking their jobs or be taken care of by the social welfare system or private charities.
The hell they don't! They're using our hospitals, educational system and social welfare which they obtain by using fake or stolen identities. They are experts at working the system. The difference is that "EVERYONE" meaning those who are here legally have contributed into the system except for those that for generations have made a living off of the social welfare system.
That is a lame excuse. So we're supposed to educate them so they can take even more and better jobs from American citizens. They're manipulated by their own damn government. Just as we are being manipulated by ours and people that think like you.
Those illegal invaders work off the books and send money back to their home country never paying a dime into the system other than sales taxes. Unfortunately those occupations are unavailable to most Americans as these illegal invaders have taken over. How the hell did we get by and who performed those occupations before the United States was invaded by these illegal trespassers? Growing up I knew plenty of people who worked in the construction and landscaping trades right out of high school doing grunt work and were able to start their own businesses after learning those trades. Those opportunities are no longer available for Americans because of the massive influx of illegal invaders. Now you want to provide even more opportunities to tens of millions of those invaders who say the hell with our immigration laws and pushed themselves to the head of the line in front of all those who have legally immigrated into the United States. On top of that they demand rights and privileges while waving their foreign flags showing no allegiance to the country that they have broken into.
You are one pathetic individual. You are completely out of your mind.
The Government, and who the hell do you think is going to pay for it? So that's your solution more government jobs to provide more services to those who do not pay into the system? What happens when the government runs out of other people's money? Do they print more money? Why doesn't the government just make out a check for 10 million dollars to every individual who lives in the United States? That way everyone would be a millionaire and no one would have to work.
How many people do you know of that are gainfully employed in the United States by those illegal invaders? By your logic we should open up our borders and let all of the world's indigent people in, just think we'd all have great jobs that these so called movers and shakers create. They take the risk of moving here not to create jobs but to live off of the American people, whether it be taking their jobs or be taken care of by the social welfare system or private charities.
The hell they don't! They're using our hospitals, educational system and social welfare which they obtain by using fake or stolen identities. They are experts at working the system. The difference is that "EVERYONE" meaning those who are here legally have contributed into the system except for those that for generations have made a living off of the social welfare system.
That is a lame excuse. So we're supposed to educate them so they can take even more and better jobs from American citizens. They're manipulated by their own damn government. Just as we are being manipulated by ours and people that think like you.
Those illegal invaders work off the books and send money back to their home country never paying a dime into the system other than sales taxes. Unfortunately those occupations are unavailable to most Americans as these illegal invaders have taken over. How the hell did we get by and who performed those occupations before the United States was invaded by these illegal trespassers? Growing up I knew plenty of people who worked in the construction and landscaping trades right out of high school doing grunt work and were able to start their own businesses after learning those trades. Those opportunities are no longer available for Americans because of the massive influx of illegal invaders. Now you want to provide even more opportunities to tens of millions of those invaders who say the hell with our immigration laws and pushed themselves to the head of the line in front of all those who have legally immigrated into the United States. On top of that they demand rights and privileges while waving their foreign flags showing no allegiance to the country that they have broken into.
You are one pathetic individual. You are completely out of your mind.
Now go back to reading Karl Marx
Excellent post dude!
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