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Let's be real. In 5 years half of the people who become teachers drop out, and it's not just because of badly behaved ghetto kids. Teachers are poorly paid, and having teachers take lots of tests and go through ridiculous hoops for certification turns people off.
There's a reason we have the saying those who can do, do. Those who can't teach. There are rxceptto this at the university level but k--2? The best mathematicians and scientists wouldn't touch k--2 with a ten foot pole.
You do realize the NAACP and I am talking about two different things. They'd rather reform the admissions practices of these schools. I'd rather abolish them altogether.
I have no problem with people getting basic level of education, but you're wanting public schools to become defacing trade schools for certain companies. Fine. Get rid of all taxpayer involvement and let the companies pay for these schools. No one who actually works in a class room thinks this is a good system, and we all know it's garbage. K-12 isn't a technical training institute.
Life would go on after these schools are shut down, and there are plenty of people across the country who have become engineering and science majors without attending these schools. Keep in mind though I am a fan of dismantling public education as we know it.
NY State spends more than $25 billion a year on state aid for schools, at great expense to NYC taxpayers. Most of this per capita goes to suburban and exburban districts and their AP and sports programs. Why should NYC residents be OK with the suburbs and exburbs getting the undisputable advantage in math and science education?
Good point - which is why colleges have an admissions staff whose entire job is to work on sifting through these indicators and deciding if a school is a good match for an individual. But specialized schools do not have an admissions staff like colleges do.
Nor do they need to.
Currently the accept only the best test takers in the city, and as a result- they are the BEST schools in New York City, some in New York State.
The majority of students are still middle class, which does not resemble the Ivy League.
The majority of students are still Asian, which does resemble the Ivy League.
I have said this once and I will say it as many times as it needs bearing-
If you are unwilling to adjust the specific way we educate and assess each individual ethnicity, there is no reason to keep collecting demographical statistics.
NAACP is race baiting to get answers in which have already been answered.
Let's be real. In 5 years half of the people who become teachers drop out, and it's not just because of badly behaved ghetto kids. Teachers are poorly paid, and having teachers take lots of tests and go through ridiculous hoops for certification turns people off.
There's a reason we have the saying those who can do, do. Those who can't teach. There are rxceptto this at the university level but k--2? The best mathematicians and scientists wouldn't touch k--2 with a ten foot pole.
Where teachers are not poorly paid the retention rates are near 90%.
Nearly 50% of the teachers in affluent neighborhoods around NYC and nearly 75% of the administration are from Top Tier schools.
Currently the accept only the best test takers in the city, and as a result- they are the BEST schools in New York City, some in New York State.
The majority of students are still middle class, which does not resemble the Ivy League.
The majority of students are still Asian, which does resemble the Ivy League.
I have said this once and I will say it as many times as it needs bearing-
If you are unwilling to adjust the specific way we educate and assess each individual ethnicity, there is no reason to keep collecting demographical statistics.
NAACP is race baiting to get answers in which have already been answered.
Having been to two Ivy Leagues, whites outnumber Asians among the students and there are few Asians among faculty or administration.
NY State spends more than $25 billion a year on state aid for schools, at great expense to NYC taxpayers. Most of this per capita goes to suburban and exburban districts and their AP and sports programs. Why should NYC residents be OK with the suburbs and exburbs getting the undisputable advantage in math and science education?
Because it seems like those counties better fund their education across the board via property taxes, as opposed to having just a handful of special schools that don't benefit the majority of New Yorkers.
Where teachers are not poorly paid the retention rates are near 90%.
Nearly 50% of the teachers in affluent neighborhoods around NYC and nearly 75% of the administration are from Top Tier schools.
NYCDOE is just a dumping ground for second tier.
Even suburban teachers are poorly paid compared to what other professionals make. Anyone who wants to make a lot of money will not do it teaching. You don't attract talented people to the k-12 classroom.
Many people leave the field because their are more interesting things to do and more lucrative things to do.
Because it seems like those counties better fund their education across the board via property taxes, as opposed to having just a handful of special schools that don't benefit the majority of New Yorkers.
No. Suburban and exburban school districts get a disproportionate share of state aid. Some up to 2x what NYC students get. You pay for that aid, not their local taxes. Why should NYC taxpayers give up their share of the money?
The money is not the only reason teachers leave. The cirriculum itself as boring, as is the testing regime. Of course everyone things they can turn on the news and gain superficial knowledge of issues in education without having ever worked in education or having any credentials in education. There are a lot of reasons schools can't retain talented people,
The money is not the only reason teachers leave. The cirriculum itself as boring, as is the testing regime. Of course everyone things they can turn on the news and gain superficial knowledge of issues in education without having ever worked in education or having any credentials in education. There are a lot of reasons schools can't retain talented people,
Maybe. But that does not mean NYC should give up its share of funding for advanced math and science programs in specialized high schools, while its taxpayers pay for these programs in other school districts.
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