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View Poll Results: Was the Marine Right or Wrong? Wrong or Right?
Right 52 71.23%
Wrong 10 13.70%
Not sure 11 15.07%
Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-16-2023, 07:53 PM
 
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I can 100% guarantee you that this will be their strongest defense. That NYC had abrogated its duty to protect its residents and that this was a direct consequence of that. It's a stronger defense than many would give it credit for.

Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? If you're so sure of a conviction, let's wager on it?
You're a lawyer? To be honest I don't care if he walks or if he goes to jail. All I know is that he should not have killed him.
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Old 05-17-2023, 03:02 AM
 
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we walk a fine line when it comes to what we consider to be self defense …go to far and you pay the price …

it easily could have happened to me if i beat that guy with that club in the park that day ….

don’t forget when it’s us under pressure we perceive everything as a greater threat then it may be once fight or flight kicks in ..

it is way to easy to over access what the situation demands in the face of an unknown threat . .

it is up to the court to say what a REASONABLE MAN would have done …but the problem MASSAD said is courts are not under that same flight or flight syndrome you were nor can they feel the stress of the situation.

so they are really looking at it like a west point graduate far removed from the battlefield and the fog of war ,so what they see and feel is not the fear on the front line . and that is your proverbial reasonable man . a man uneffected by fear , fight or flight and perception of the unknown outcome .

most of us would not think twice about using deadly force even if the situation was such that it just meant an ass whooping if it could save us from the unknown outcome and we would feel justified .

but our laws and courts have a different view.

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Old 05-18-2023, 12:19 PM
 
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There. Witness of the event calls the marine a hero and she is a person of color too.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...red-lives.html



Or here.https://nypost.com/2023/05/12/jordan...-daniel-penny/
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Old 05-18-2023, 12:23 PM
 
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You're a lawyer? To be honest I don't care if he walks or if he goes to jail. All I know is that he should not have killed him.
You want to put your money where your mouth is or do you just prefer to furnish illogical arguments?
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Old 05-18-2023, 12:25 PM
 
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There. Witness of the event calls the marine a hero and she is a person of color too.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...red-lives.html



Or here.https://nypost.com/2023/05/12/jordan...-daniel-penny/
If these individuals are willing to testify, a “not guilty” verdict on any charge isn’t out of the question.
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Old 05-18-2023, 12:31 PM
 
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If these individuals are willing to testify, a “not guilty” verdict on any charge isn’t out of the question.
With good legal defense anything is possible. Remember OJ?
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Old 05-18-2023, 12:36 PM
 
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With good legal defense anything is possible. Remember OJ?
with oj there were no witnesses and video
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Old 05-18-2023, 12:42 PM
 
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with oj there were no witnesses and video
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Still I think he has a good chance of walking. Fund is over 2 mill at this point and its not stopping.
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Old 05-18-2023, 12:47 PM
 
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Still I think he has a good chance of walking. Fund is over 2 mill at this point and its not stopping.
People with money still get locked up
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Old 05-18-2023, 12:48 PM
 
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especially with a video documenting it.

i doubt he will get away with less then a plea deal on a manslaughter charge
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