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The more I have come to learn about this case, the more I have come down on the side of the former Marine. That said, I haven't voted as I don't think "right" or "wrong" appropriately describes the situation and decision-point in this case. Rather, based on witness statements at the moment, I'm more inclined to note that Perry's behavior was justified and that he should not have been arrested.
The most important part of this is the evidence of how Neely was terrorizing the train car and how multiple people had legitimate fears for their immediate safety.
They say multiple 911 calls came in BEFORE the marine intervened to report Neely. That is EXTREMELY unusual, when I see crazies on the train, even the total wack jobs, nobody is calling 911
Neely must have been making serious threats leading people to genuinely fear for their lives which would necessitate defensive action
The more I have come to learn about this case, the more I have come down on the side of the former Marine. That said, I haven't voted as I don't think "right" or "wrong" appropriately describes the situation and decision-point in this case. Rather, based on witness statements at the moment, I'm more inclined to note that Perry's behavior was justified and that he should not have been arrested.
What did you learn that's new - is there anything new from the past 1 to 3 days? I've been out of the loop, not as much news as usual
The most important part of this is the evidence of how Neely was terrorizing the train car and how multiple people had legitimate fears for their immediate safety.
They say multiple 911 calls came in BEFORE the marine intervened to report Neely. That is EXTREMELY unusual, when I see crazies on the train, even the total wack jobs, nobody is calling 911
Neely must have been making serious threats leading people to genuinely fear for their lives which would necessitate defensive action
calling 9-11 doesn’t mean you fear for your life . it can just mean you fear a physical altercation or someone putting their hands on you
calling 9-11 doesn’t mean you fear for your life . it can just mean you fear a physical altercation or someone putting their hands on you
Based on how subway riders have been trained and beaten down into accepting crazies on the train in recent years, I would bet 10 out of 10 times that calling 911 in today's climate on the train means a clear and present danger to life
Based on how subway riders have been trained and beaten down into accepting crazies on the train in recent years, I would bet 10 out of 10 times that calling 911 in today's climate on the train means a clear and present danger to life
i would bet that most calls from the subway are no different then all the other 911 calls they get , most are frivolous
no , i think he had grounds for physical force , not deadly force.
there was no one at that stage who had deadly force attempted on them nor were any weapons even presented
He did not use deadly force. He used a submission hold to reduce blood flow to the brain to make Neely pass out as opposed to a choke hold to the airways which would asphyxiate him. Once Neely stopped struggling, Penny put him in the recovery position to restore blood flow to the brain. We will have to wait for the publication of the toxicology and autopsy reports to have a full picture of what physically happened here.
The other passengers obviously agreed with his actions as they helped him and congratulated him afterwards and all stated that it was an emergency situation. You will not find 12 random people in NYC to convict Penny of anything for defending those people, let alone find a judge who would sentence him to any real time in prison even if somehow they convict him
Daniel Penny is a hero, he doesn't deserve this treatment. Alvin Bragg did not even have the decency to empannel a grand jury. He skipped the whole process and wrote the complaint himself to indict him like a good little Anarcho-Tyranny stooge
He did not use deadly force. He used a submission hold to reduce blood flow to the brain to make Neely pass out as opposed to a choke hold to the airways which would asphyxiate him. Once Neely stopped struggling, Penny put him in the recovery position to restore blood flow to the brain. We will have to wait for the publication of the toxicology and autopsy report to have a full picture of what physically happened here.
The other passengers obviously agreed with his actions as they helped him and congratulated him afterwards. You will not find 12 random people in NYC to convict Penny of any criminal offense, let alone find a judge who would sentence him to any real time in prison even if somehow they convict him
that is considered deadly force if he died …it isnt murder but that is what manslaughter is ..your actions caused the death of someone else whether you meant it or not…
that is why even law enforcement frowns on their use , because they can cause death
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