Crime in Philadelphia discussion (Jefferson, Penn: insurance, drivers license, vehicle)

[FindingZen]

Originally Posted by MPK21

Generally black leadership has been an abysmal failure with policies designed to keep them in powerful positions.

Whaaat?

One could say the same about White leadership but that would take us way out of the geographic focus.

[*cough* MS, KY, WV, AL, LA, Appalachia, rural SE/SW/Heartland *cough*]

[FindingZen]

Originally Posted by MPK21

What was Trump's other direction that largely continued to alienate black voters from his party...or voting for him?

If you know about mid-1960's Civil Rights legislation - I'll respond to that post in a moment - then you surely know what I am saying. But to perhaps humor you a bit: self-appointed lead Birther Donald Trump expanded upon the Southern Strategy to cast more direct aspersions upon people of color, particularly Blacks and Latinos, although he had some words for AAPI as well.

Can't think of 1 President who hasn't, didn't, and continues to this day...not blaming the preceding President for ''inherited problems'' and dismissing the preceding President for being the root cause of any success.

That may be true, but in the case of the BLS unemployment figures I presented, "ball don't lie"

Yet more black males voted for Trump in 2020 which is dismissed by the left...

That figure IIRC went from 18% to 20%. Disingenuous people might frame that as an "11% improvement". Nonetheless, I imagine if your kids brought home - or you as a child had presented - a "20" on your exam and tried to spin as an improvement on the "18" you received before, that surely wouldn't have gone over well with you or your parents.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...-show-n1246447

I snipped most of the rest because, frankly, it's rather off the wall.

Then again, the inclusive, equity, and diversity party also labelled black males as ''super predators'' and created the mass incarceration issue in their communities so describing black males today as being misogynist, female abusers shouldn't be a shock.

Republicans stripped out the portion of the crime bill that would have funded the community infrastructure I harp on every 100 posts or so in this thread. At least the Democrats, for their part, have shown some compunction and are trying to make a positive difference with bills passed over the last couple of years that benefit BIPOC Americans including - to keep this somewhat local - right here in Philadelphia. Meanwhile, Republicans - maybe less so the lone City Councilman here - have yet to show any signs of remorse for their behavior and policies over the last fifty years, least of all Donald Trump.

[FindingZen]

Originally Posted by MPK21

Well, for starters, read up on the mid-1960s Civil Rights Legislation and, separately, on the simultaneous Great Society social programs. Legal Protections with a boost of social reparation spending.

I'm aware of the Civil and Voting Rights Acts as well as the Fair Housing Act a few years later. Interesting that you frame all of that as "reparations". I'm sure there a few Black Americans who would view those policies that way, save perhaps the Whitlocks, Elders, and Owenses of the world.

You think today's reparations movement is about social and physical infrastructure improvements in challenged communities and being anti-gentrification? Sorry, it's about direct cash $$ payments. Look what San Francisco wants to do: pay out $5 million plus per black resident...lol

I'm aware of what's being discussed in San Francisco. Evanston, Illinois is pursuing something similar if less ambitious. I'm not going to advocate for direct cash payments - to get this back to local - here in the City of Philadelphia. However, I'm also not going to begrudge those who push for it, either. In my opinion, an "all of the above" approach is possible.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by FindingZen

I'm aware of the Civil and Voting Rights Acts as well as the Fair Housing Act a few years later. Interesting that you frame all of that as "reparations". I'm sure there a few Black Americans who would view those policies that way, save perhaps the Whitlocks, Elders, and Owenses of the world.



I'm aware of what's being discussed in San Francisco. Evanston, Illinois is pursuing something similar if less ambitious. I'm not going to advocate for direct cash payments - to get this back to local - here in the City of Philadelphia. However, I'm also not going to begrudge those who push for it, either. In my opinion, an "all of the above" approach is possible.

The bills LBJ got passed (and JFK never would have had he lived) weren't, and aren't, "reparations." They were an attempt to fulfill the thwarted promise of Reconstruction — IOW, to finish the job the Union started in the Civil War.

"Payment of back wages for slavery" is a completely separate issue. That it's become a live one more than 150 years after it was all but* ended is more a matter of people's consciousnesses having been raised. And we can't say we weren't warned: none other than Thomas Jefferson wrote that one of the reasons that, once they got the freedom they deserved, Blacks couldn't live in the same country as the white Anglo settlers was "...the million injustices recalled by the blacks..." (see Notes on the State of Virginia, the only book he ever wrote)

*"All but" because there's a loophole in the 13th Amendment that allows slavery to be used as punishment for a crime.

[cpomp]

To get this discussion back on track... it appears that the unfortunate dirt bike issue is here to stay...

I also saw a video on social media of a hoard of them riding near City Hall yesterday before the thunderstorms, and on the sidewalk...

Dirt bike riders, crowd surrounded and vandalized 2 occupied Philly police cars at Rivers Casino

https://www.inquirer.com/news/philad...-20230402.html

[MPK21]

When was the unfortunate dirt bike issue on its way out?

As for the incidents with cops at the Rivers Casino...yawn; standard Saturday night going into spring.

[JamesJay64]

Originally Posted by cpomp

To get this discussion back on track... it appears that the unfortunate dirt bike issue is here to stay...

I also saw a video on social media of a hoard of them riding near City Hall yesterday before the thunderstorms, and on the sidewalk...

Dirt bike riders, crowd surrounded and vandalized 2 occupied Philly police cars at Rivers Casino

https://www.inquirer.com/news/philad...-20230402.html

Terrible because Center City is so crowded these days, it's a wonderful place to be EXCEPT when these roll through, which is pretty frequent. I don't know why they are treated like an unstoppable force of nature when they are not. I saw a video of a big pack of them in Brooklyn (maybe Queens?) and they were being tailed by a police chopper and many cruisers.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by JamesJay64

Terrible because Center City is so crowded these days, it's a wonderful place to be EXCEPT when these roll through, which is pretty frequent. I don't know why they are treated like an unstoppable force of nature when they are not. I saw a video of a big pack of them in Brooklyn (maybe Queens?) and they were being tailed by a police chopper and many cruisers.

And what was the denouement of their adventure, given that they were being tailed?

[JamesJay64]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

And what was the denouement of their adventure, given that they were being tailed?

I have no idea to be honest, I just saw a news report of it. Perhaps the problem wasn't actually dealt with any better than here, but it at least gave (me) the impression that it's not ok with NYPD to mob a gas station/ride in a pack of illegal vehicles on the street.

Here's the report I was referring to: https://abc7ny.com/queens-atv-dirtbi...ving/13008986/

I know it's a difficult issue to deal with and pursuit isn't possible, I guess I should be thankful that this my biggest issue with living in the city.

[Muinteoir]

My solution: All unlawful ATV and dirt bike riders must complete a two week probational street cleaning project. Two birds with one stone.