Top 10 reasons not to move to PHX (Phoenix, Sun Lakes: how much, gated)

[mistygrl092]

Originally Posted by Ritchie_az

The way you are setting this up is if one is critical of President Obama's policies (tax, spend, bailout, handouts, etc) then that person is a racist... and anyone who criticized President Bush was smart, etc.
I don't buy the premise--it's a logical fallacy.

President Bush will be viewed by HISTORY (written by folks who may not even be born yet) as an OK President. A lot will depend on how Iraq and Afghanistan turn out. Many of the harsh criticisms will be ruled unfounded.

Also, I believe "the party of no" would like to be known as "the party of no socialism"--that is more correctly what they believe. I know you agree with socialism and all, but a lot of folks don't.

Didn't his book come out and say he was okay with torture, which is against the Geneva Conventions?

Look, I voted for Obama and am VERY disappointed. All that BS about closing down Guantanamo and getting out of the wars and WHAT?

I am so disgusted by it all. But the ONE thing I will say, is that Bush sucked BIG TIME! Oh, and he was stupid as hell.

[EnicAZ]

electrokinesis,

Thank you for your contribution. It might be no coincidence that Arizona and California are ranked #2 and #1 in state budget problems as a percentage of debt versus income projections.

[kdog]

Originally Posted by observer53

Don't make a judgment based on the overgeneralization you read here, or about any other city, for that matter. Forums like this attract a lot of extreme opinions going either way, which need to be taken with a grain of salt by those who have never lived in, or even been to, a given city. As has been said many times here, no place is perfect, no place is for everyone, and some people will be unhappy wherever they live.

Or put another way...

"The population of the Phoenix metropolitan area increased by 45.3% from 1990 through 2000, compared to the average United States rate of 15%, helping to make Arizona the second fastest growing state in the nation in the 1990s (the fastest was Nevada).[1] The 2000 Census reported the population of the metropolitan area to be 3,251,876. As of July 1, 2008 the MSA is estimated to be at 4,281,899 USMA, making it the 12th largest metro area in the United States, just behind Detroit-Warren-Livonia, Michigan and ahead of San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, California. Metro Phoenix grew by 1.03 million people, or 31.7% from April 2000 to July 2008." Source: Phoenix metropolitan area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The bottom line is that (a) a lot of people are moving here, and (b) they are staying here.

[mistygrl092]

Originally Posted by kdog

The bottom line is that (a) a lot of people are moving here, and (b) they are staying here.

Super, and just where are the jobs to support all these people?

[Spot]

Originally Posted by kdog

Or put another way...

"The population of the Phoenix metropolitan area increased by 45.3% from 1990 through 2000, compared to the average United States rate of 15%, helping to make Arizona the second fastest growing state in the nation in the 1990s (the fastest was Nevada).[1] The 2000 Census reported the population of the metropolitan area to be 3,251,876. As of July 1, 2008 the MSA is estimated to be at 4,281,899 USMA, making it the 12th largest metro area in the United States, just behind Detroit-Warren-Livonia, Michigan and ahead of San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, California. Metro Phoenix grew by 1.03 million people, or 31.7% from April 2000 to July 2008." Source: Phoenix metropolitan area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The bottom line is that (a) a lot of people are moving here, and (b) they are staying here.

Yeah man, you have a point. A lot of people did move there. And they are staying... heck, they can't afford to leave once they get there. AZ is one of the poorest states in the country. In 2009, AZ was DEAD LAST in wage increases. Of course people are staying... They are broke!

Okay, go ahead and tell me how wonderful it is to live there.

[EnicAZ]

The consensus by the 30 local economists and business leaders is that Phoenix's population has not grown since 2007, and may continue to be decline. Our economy, unfortunately, was built almost exclusively on the engine which is taking the worst turn in our current recession.

[Phxguy]

Originally Posted by Spot

Yeah man, you have a point. A lot of people did move there. And they are staying... heck, they can't afford to leave once they get there. AZ is one of the poorest states in the country. In 2009, AZ was DEAD LAST in wage increases. Of course people are staying... They are broke!

Okay, go ahead and tell me how wonderful it is to live there.

Did you assume that everybody that has moved here hates it here and wants to move out? I've only met one person in the past 5 years who has said they didn't like it here.

[Phxguy]

Originally Posted by EnicAZ

The consensus by the 30 local economists and business leaders is that Phoenix's population has not grown since 2007, and may continue to be decline. Our economy, unfortunately, was built almost exclusively on the engine which is taking the worst turn in our current recession.

The second part is true but the population of Phoenix is not declining by any means. It's slowed down, which is good, but it hasn't stopped.

[actinic]

Originally Posted by kdog

The bottom line is that (a) a lot of people are moving here, and (b) they are staying here.

Moving or reproducing? A large hispanic population with equally large families could be a big reason for that growth. And with real estate in the tank .... worse off than many states ... you've got more people forced to hang around .

Besides, a lot of that growth is transient. Many seniors move to AZ and get residency because taxes are less (at great social cost to education, etc) but may stay just 5 or 6 months. Part time residents make for part time sales tax contributions. Other states don't have as big of a transient population ... their residents stick around for a good portion of the year within their communities and pay sales tax for longer duration.

[Sarimn00]

Originally Posted by Grannysroost

Pillage, I look at the cities you are comparing Phoenix too, but you are moving to MN..Where are you living and where is your job on what major road compared to where you will live...Have you visited MN in the deep freeze or a snow storm with 100's of accidents in a rush hour that can run most of the day? You will spend hours on the road with adrenaline running through your body from the conditions and the other drivers... Be prepared to get up early and warm your vehicle if driving, scrape your window, lights, mirrors after putting all those clothes on...and hope it didn't snow because you have to shovel, or if lucky blow out your driveway before you leave, and hope that nasty plow didn't leave the hump of frozen blop at the end of it the snow blower won't go through, so chop chop...Then you have a thaw or sleet, and glaze ice...what fun traveling even 10 miles Oh..and you know that feeling when you are so happy to leave work and go home? Now go to your vehicle and chop, melt, scape that ice off your car and hope you can get the lock open (PS be careful when you wash your car)...you just lost mega time screwing with the vehicle...now you have to get on the road and go home...Check back and let us know how it's going for ya Compare that to Phoenix, and I won't even go into politics there, and the MN nice... close your ears when you turn your back ....I lived there for almost 50 years..went back to see my kids this past summer, and I was so happy to come back home, but home is where you make it

PS: Carry extra windshield wash

I live in Minnesota. You just described Wednesday perfectly. Thanksgiving was 12 degrees above zero with a windchill of below zero. Last week we had an ice storm, and a 20 minute drive took 3 hrs for people, and that was in the TC area...I live in Western MN, and we are one of the last priorities. MN has a lot of good, but it's not perfect, no place is.