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Old 02-28-2011, 07:52 PM
 
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No bid contracts, creating a larger deficit through tax cuts for wealthy CEO's, going after Collective Bargaining Rights of some, but not those who supported you.....
Not to mention putting changes in Medicare under control of the governors office and removing other oversight...
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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The health care bill itself was not passed through reconciliation. The changes to the bill is what was passed through reconciliation.
You're splitting hairs here. The (final) bill would never have been passed but not for reconciliation... never before used on a bill of this magnitude. Sanrene's point stands.
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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You're splitting hairs here. The (final) bill would never have been passed but not for reconciliation... never before used on a bill of this magnitude. Sanrene's point stands.
The bill itself did not pass through Reconciliation.
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:55 PM
 
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The wording of the poll is an issue as well. If people are made aware of what happens to their tax dollars under CB, they have a different answer.
There is no financial cost to the state for keeping collective bargaining for non-monetary items. That RRW talking point may work for people unfamiliar with unions, but that wouldn't be case for the people of Wisconsin, with a large labor base and lots of union homes--they know that argument is BS. I grew up in a family of unionized teachers (republican union members)--I'm pretty familiar with the process myself.
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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The bill itself did not pass through Reconciliation.
As I said, that doesn't change the point Sanrene made. The final version of the bill, the one that was signed into law by Obama, was in fact passed using procedural trickery (reconciliation) that was never meant for passing legislation such as the albatross otherwise know as, Obamacare.
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Walker won by 5.77, now he trails.
After only 8 weeks in office! Even the R Senators are ashamed to tell their constituents how they plan to vote on Walker's budget bill!

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DODGEVILLE — Sen. Dale Schultz may know how he will vote if the state Senate takes up Gov. Scott Walker's budget repair bill Tuesday but he refused to let his intentions be known to the 450 people who jammed the bleachers at Dodgeville High School Monday night.
Sen. Dale Schultz mum on intentions for budget repair bill vote

So much for the voters knowing what they were getting!
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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As I said, that doesn't change the point Sanrene made. The final version of the bill, the one that was signed into law by Obama, was in fact passed using procedural trickery (reconciliation) that was never meant for passing legislation such as the albatross otherwise know as, Obamacare.
Again, no it wasn't. Obama signed two different bills. He signed the one large bill, which was the actual healthcare bill that was passed through the normal process. Then he signed the changes to the bill, which was passed through reconciliation.
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:06 PM
 
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Union-busting and teacher-hating Republicans are the real Americans! The rest of you are lazy, socialist slugs. Scott Walker is a hero!
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:10 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Well, the poll is accurate for the 768 people queried, however the breakdown of how the respondents voted in the 2010 election was 47% Walker and 47% Barrett. That is not statistically equivalent to the actual 2010 result. The poll's findings are not reliable.
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:12 PM
 
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As I said, that doesn't change the point Sanrene made. The final version of the bill, the one that was signed into law by Obama, was in fact passed using procedural trickery (reconciliation) that was never meant for passing legislation such as the albatross otherwise know as, Obamacare.
"Legislation such as the albatross"... well obviously that's an opinion, so how could you claim reconciliation wasn't intended for such things?

As for what reconciliation was intended for, versus what it has been used for, and as example of how the passage of the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 is not some gross anomaly, look up the history of COBRA, and pay attention to what the acronym stands for.
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