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1) Walker's plan passes. The state and local governments save money, budget gaps are reduced, taxes don't increase or increase less than they would have
2) Walker's plan doesn't pass. The state and local governments are forced to spend more money on public employee union demands. Draconian cuts in public services are enacted and/or taxes increase even more to pay for the public employee union demands.
Which scenario do the WI taxpayers want?
Get their state and local budgets under control?
Or pay even more taxes for fewer government services because the unions demand more?
Walker and the Republicans are acting in the taxpayers' interest. The public employee unions are greedly acting in their own interest, and have no qualms in screwing the taxpayers.
A WAYYYYYYYY too simplistic appraisal.
The most likely outcome is NEITHER of the 2 scenarios you mention.
The most likely outcome is that the GOP caves and the bill is re-negotiated with the main points of contention removed (things like the collective bargaining point).
1) Walker's plan passes. The state and local governments save money, budget gaps are reduced, taxes don't increase or increase less than they would have
2) Walker's plan doesn't pass. The state and local governments are forced to spend more money on public employee union demands. Draconian cuts in public services are enacted and/or taxes increase even more to pay for the public employee union demands.
Which scenario do the WI taxpayers want?
Get their state and local budgets under control?
Or pay even more taxes for fewer government services because the unions demand more?
Walker and the Republicans are acting in the taxpayers' interest. The public employee unions are greedly acting in their own interest, and have no qualms in screwing the taxpayers.
To put to rest this complete can of horse pucky, misinformation once and for all, I present to you this irrefutable link that tells you where the the money for union benefits actually comes from. Thank you.
Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to “contribute more” to their pension and health insurance plans. Accepting Gov. Walker’ s assertions as fact, and failing to check, creates the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not. Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin’ s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.
Giving out no bid contracts, giving wealthy CEO contracts is screwing the taxpayer.
Really? How is acting in the best interest of the State of WI (required under both the WI State Constitution AND by language in the bill Walker and the R's are trying to pass) screwing the taxpayers? Newsflash: It's not. The left has desperately conjured up a figment of their imagination in a pathetic attempt to distract people from their greedy insistence that the privileged union class should be able to demand more and more from the taxpayers, in perpetuity.
So we're left with two outcomes here:
1) Walker's plan passes. The state and local governments save money, budget gaps are reduced, taxes don't increase or increase less than they would have
2) Walker's plan doesn't pass. The state and local governments are forced to spend more money on public employee union demands. Draconian cuts in public services are enacted and/or taxes increase even more to pay for the public employee union demands.
Which scenario do the WI taxpayers want?
Get their state and local budgets under control?
Or pay even more taxes for fewer government services because the unions demand more?
Walker and the Republicans are acting in the taxpayers' interest. The public employee unions are greedly acting in their own interest, and have no qualms in screwing the taxpayers.
To put to rest this complete can of horse pucky, misinformation once and for all, I present to you this irrefutable link that tells you where the the money for union benefits actually comes from. Thank you.
Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to “contribute more” to their pension and health insurance plans. Accepting Gov. Walker’ s assertions as fact, and failing to check, creates the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not. Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin’ s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.
Ah, don't you know that the wingnuts will disregard this appraisal of the situation because it comes from a radical Left-wing anti-business magazine such as Forbes.
Except for polls where he's running against any Republican.
That's not quite true.
When matched against any named Republican, Obama keeps coming out ahead. When the question is "Obama versus whoever the Republican candidate is" the results are tied.
Obama vs Romney - Obama polls higher.
Obama vs Palin, vs Huckabee, vs Newt, et al - Obama polls higher.
So for Obama to lose, a lot of Republicans are going to have to hold their noses and vote for a candidate they'd said they liked less than Obama! If they stay home, Obama wins.
To put to rest this complete can of horse pucky, misinformation once and for all, I present to you this irrefutable link that tells you where the the money for union benefits actually comes from. Thank you.
Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to “contribute more” to their pension and health insurance plans. Accepting Gov. Walker’ s assertions as fact, and failing to check, creates the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not. Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin’ s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.
That's just smoke and mirrors and not even a decent attempt at it.
When you ask someone how much they make, they tell you (for example) $70,000/year. They rarely say they make $70,000 + $30,000 in health care and retirement benefits.
The same applies to these teachers. They make say $60,000/year. But in actuality, and all that this guy is INCLUDING is the extra money in benefits they make. The TAXPAYER is still funding all of it regardless of it being all paid NOW or some of it socked away into the future under the heading of "benefits".
That money doesn't magically appear and it certainly isn't being paid 100% by the teachers...so the ONLY place it can possibly come from is the taxpayers.
When matched against any named Republican, Obama keeps coming out ahead. When the question is "Obama versus whoever the Republican candidate is" the results are tied.
Obama vs Romney - Obama polls higher.
Obama vs Palin, vs Huckabee, vs Newt, et al - Obama polls higher.
So for Obama to lose, a lot of Republicans are going to have to hold their noses and vote for a candidate they'd said they liked less than Obama! If they stay home, Obama wins.
I recently posted a poll here on C-D where Obama lost to a generic Republican.
Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to “contribute more” to their pension and health insurance plans. Accepting Gov. Walker’ s assertions as fact, and failing to check, creates the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not. Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin’ s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.
Very easily debunked, and quite frankly, I'm surprised that author put his professional reputation at risk like that. Oh well, he'll learn too late, when he's publicly humiliated as a blatant liar. The beauty of it is that the unions' own contracts expose his lie.
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Wisconsin's 267,000 public workers pay next to nothing out-of-pocket toward their pensions. State and local governments are supposed to pay half the retirement contribution, with employees paying the rest. But in Wisconsin, manyunion contractsstipulate that the employer -- which means taxpayers -- picks up the employee's share.
In pension and benefits, Wisconsin tops Minnesota | StarTribune.com (http://www.startribune.com/politics/local/116784878.html - broken link)
Did you get that? WI taxpayers are contractually obligated to pay 100% of WI public workers' pension contributions.
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