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Wisconsin, Michigan -- No Smoking Rooms In Hotels -- Period. Thank Liberals.
Your welcome..Have you ever been to a hotel in Jordan? I have and it's horrible. Smoking is allowed EVERYWHERE even 5 star hotels. If you want to suck poison into your lungs, do it in your own home.
At the end of the day, they do have a choice. As you said, they can move on to the next city. Or they can forgo attending the convention at all and go back home. There are a lot of things that someone may not like about a certain hotel. Should we regulate all of those things for those times when people have "no choice" and "have to take what room is available"?
apparently you have never had to deal with a city where EVERY hotel was full. take for instance the year i went to shenandoah national park early to help open one of the properties. i had forgotten that the weekend i would be passing through bristol was a race weekend. starting about 95 miles away from bristol to about 100 miles to the other side of bristol EVERY hotel was full.
or the many years in tucson where often times the only rooms available during the gem and mineral show were in phoenix 100 miles away. or the one year where EVERY hotel room along interstate 10 was full from about 400 miles east of el paso to about 300 miles north of las vegas. in fact even some apartments were opening up their vacant apartments to daily rentals to help relieve the load.
and it isnt just people coming into town for a convention either that run into the problems. many people decide to travel for vacation without making reservations, and they get stuck with the last room in town.
and if you think that isnt so bad to just go one to the next town, try doing it after you have been driving for 10 hours, you are tired, the SO/kids are tired, and you have to try and find a room for the night, and are constantly told that no rooms are available, and the next town is 100 miles away. then come back and tell me that the people only have to go to the next town.
My argument is not about what the hotel does, if the hotel wants to completely ban smoking in every room they have in the entire nation that's their decision. On the flip side if they wanted to make every room they have smoking that is up to them too. If my understanding is correct In this case the government is outright banning it altogether, they don't even have the choice of a percentage and even if they do there is the inevitable push that will ban it permanently.
When these laws started they were sensible and reasonable banning it in hospitals, public buildings etc. They moved onto private establishments like bars and restaurants. Now they are at the point of banning smoking in open air parks and within residences.
I agree! Many apartments in this state you can't smoke in either. My daughter just rented a house and in the lease it says no smoking.
apparently you have never had to deal with a city where EVERY hotel was full. take for instance the year i went to shenandoah national park early to help open one of the properties. i had forgotten that the weekend i would be passing through bristol was a race weekend. starting about 95 miles away from bristol to about 100 miles to the other side of bristol EVERY hotel was full.
If there's only ONE room left in town, a smoker will be mad if it's non-smoking and a non-smoker will be mad if it's a smoking room. Right? Either way somebody will be inconvenienced, so there's no way to make both parties happy... thus we should let the hotel owners decide, and hope they have more than one vacancy at any given time.
If there's only ONE room left in town, a smoker will be mad if it's non-smoking and a non-smoker will be mad if it's a smoking room. Right? Either way somebody will be inconvenienced, so there's no way to make both parties happy... thus we should let the hotel owners decide, and hope they have more than one vacancy at any given time.
Yep, that's pretty much what it comes down to. Who decides? I say the individuals decide - they say the government (or they) decide. They're wannabe tyrants.
It's simple, libs are tyrants. whatever the like or don't like, must be forced upon everyone else in the world, and they use government to make it happen.
The libs in power of the government didn't like the smell of smoke, so they used the point of a gun to force their own personal idiosyncrasies down the throats of the rest of the citizens in their state. Freedom? To hell with freedom, they want what they want, and we will either obey, or suffer the legal consequences.
Isn't it funny? You hear the anti's complain about smoke in hotel rooms or in bars or in the apartment next door, but ya never hear them or see them fanning their noses in casinos, nearly all of which are exempt from indoor smoking bans. Yes, even in Wisconsin.
When it comes time to gamble, smoking suddenly ain't that big a deal for them.
The point is that they can tolerate it when they want to.
The fact that hotels are nonsmoking dosnt realy bother me at all. The fact that some many people are ok with the gvmt telling people how to run their businesses is damn near frightening.
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Originally Posted by waterboy7375
So should we ban drinking in hotels?
That would probably make more sense in regards to the damage that is done to hotels and motels.
Sex in hotel rooms would actually make a lot more sense from a health and hygiene point of view. Have you ever seen the studies they have done on even "nice" hotels? The sheets might be clean, but that mattress is soaked with every conceivable bodily fluid known to man.
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Originally Posted by denverian
Why should we? It doesn't smell up the place and ruin walls and fabrics. If you can't see the difference between smoking and drinking, then I can't help you understand.
Ask a hotel clerk who routinely causes more damage and makes more of a mess. Some drunk guys (smokers or non-smokers) or sober smoker.
But this isn't about the hotel, because hotels and motels were free to ban smoking if they saw fit. Obviously, if most of them saw a major issue, they would have banned it themselves. Busybodies don't like that. So they need to step in and support a ban and try to act like they are helping out the owner.
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Originally Posted by denverian
Oooo... that dang old gub'ment! Telling people they have to package food without salmonella, inform people of how much sugar, fat and sodium they put in their food, telling us that we have to stop at stop lights, not allowing me to drive 110 on the freeway, not allowing me to burn tires in my back yard all day...dang! I have no rights in this country!
Maybe if people have an issue living in a civilized society, which will always include abiding by rules and laws, they could go find an island without all the amenities offered by civilized society where they had no one to answer to.
That dang old government also mandated racial discrimination for both public facilities and private businesses, it also set up internment camps, it also violated countless treaties with the native peoples of the land, it also tested nuclear weapons knowing the both civilians and military personal would be effected, it also imprisoned gay men and women for consensual sex, it is also reasonable for the clusterf--k known as the War on Drugs (which you probably think is a great idea) that has cost the taxpayer billions and has lead to the US having the highest rate of incarceration in the world (with the possible exception of isolated dictatorships who either fudge or refuse to report the statistics), and so on.
I should also add that governments have been responsible for most wars and virtually all cases of genocide in history.
Just because there are a few good laws and regulations doesn't mean that every regulation is a good idea.
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