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Old 01-23-2012, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The Supreme Court in Minor directly construed the Constitution's natural born Citizen clause to determine the citizenship status of Virginia Minor.
But it set no precedent.

Period.

It was not a citizenship case.

 
Old 01-23-2012, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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That determination is left to the Georgia officials.
Actually, no. It's not up to them. They must follow the Constitution and afford full faith and credit to the Hawaiian COLB. They have no other option.
 
Old 01-23-2012, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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You don't believe that low level government officials could be persuaded by top officials to certify a fraudulent document?
It does not matter. Unless and until Birthers come up with evidence of fraud, something they have proven incapable of doing after more than three years of trying, the COLB is legally unchallengeable.
 
Old 01-23-2012, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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but what you're missing is the fact that all the "expert evidence" is based on the LFBC, not the COLB.
Heck! Not even that!

It is based on a computer image of the LFBC. And a computer image is not what would be introduced in court.

All of Orly's witnesses are not merely incompetent amateurs, they are irrelevant to the proceedings.
 
Old 01-23-2012, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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No. But it's entirely possible that there was shady manuevering to make him appear to have been born in the US. That is not unusual at all, and many parents will scramble (and lie) to get the best possible legal status for their children.
Give us three relevant examples.

 
Old 01-23-2012, 01:16 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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The Hawaii government officials may have been "persuaded". The Georgia state officials may look into matters more closely. I'm not saying they will. Just maybe.

If President Obama has the ability to "persuade" Hawaii state officials, why should he not be able to "persuade" Georgia state officials?

Is that what passes for logic in your world? Just maybe.
 
Old 01-23-2012, 01:17 PM
 
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No. But it's entirely possible that there was shady manuevering to make him appear to have been born in the US. That is not unusual at all, and many parents will scramble (and lie) to get the best possible legal status for their children.
Why? The best possible legal status would be a citizen, no? And that would have been accomplished easily through legitimate channels, since she was a citizen. Why engage in a conspiracy to "make him appear to have been born in the US"?
 
Old 01-23-2012, 01:19 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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The Supreme Court in Minor directly construed the Constitution's natural born Citizen clause to determine the citizenship status of Virginia Minor. The courts definition of a natural born Citizen is precedent.

Keep on repeating that, if you like - but it doesn't make it fact.
 
Old 01-23-2012, 01:29 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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No. But it's entirely possible that there was shady manuevering to make him appear to have been born in the US. That is not unusual at all, and many parents will scramble (and lie) to get the best possible legal status for their children.
If they did not catch when he became a senator and they did not catch him when he was awarded the nomination and they did not catch him after three years don't you think that it is over?
 
Old 01-23-2012, 01:37 PM
 
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You know I'm really starting to wonder if the president had been white would he be under so much scutiny?
The President is just as much white as he is black...
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