Breaking: Georgia Judge Subpoenas Obama, Original BC, College Admissions, Passport & Immigration/Naturalization Records (house, legal)

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Yes, it was, along with other primary source information such as the Civil Rights Act:Civil Rights Acts of 1866, 1870, 1871, 1875

This is a lie. It has never been taught. And the Civil Rights Act of 1866 was so completely eclipsed by the 14th Amendment that is is never even mentioned in school textbooks.

Now stop splurting nonsense, and actually make a case. Come up with that single textbook that proves your case, or admit that you are writing pure fiction.

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Obama was born subject to a foreign power.

As long as he was also a natural born US citizen (and he was), that who cares? Unlike you, I believe the United States to be a sovereign nation, and therefore (also unlike you) do not consider our laws inferior to those of other nations.

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Too bad the Italian Government disagrees with y ou : Ministry of Foreign Affairs - FAQ - Citizenship

Here is what that FAQ says, agreeing with me and calling bullsh*t on you:

When is Italian citizenship acquired automatically?

• when a child’s parents are Italian citizens;
• a child is born on Italian soil, on the condition that the child’s parents:
  • are unknown or Stateless; or
  • are foreigners who, pursuant to their country’s legislation, do not pass on their own citizenship to their child;
• in cases in which a child has been found abandoned on Italian soil;
• in cases of adoption.

You really should read your links before posting them. You will embarrass yourself less often.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by Trackwatch

I guess the GOP has given up on the 2012 election ... Why else would they bring up something that has been proven a LONG time ago.

I think ya'll should be jumping on your party officials for giving up and it's only January. So sad

Birthers are to Republicans like the Taliban is to Pakistan. A dog turned on its master.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by Bideshi

No, I'll be satisfied if the supposed original is examined and determined authentic.

Why do you so despise the Constitution?

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by Bideshi

That is absurd. Obama is not the US government.

What does Obama have to do with his birth certificate? Really?

How is it after all this time that you still have no clue how that all works?

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by Bideshi

And if said "self authenticating document" is not authentic? Does the Constitution protect fraud?

It is authentic. The State of Hawaii has said so.

Under the Constitution, what they have said cannot be challenged without evidence.

And Birthers have no evidence with which to challenge it.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by wrecking ball

only if he was present at the birth. beyond that anything he could offer about eligibility would be hearsay.

Actually, not quite right. Family reputation is an exception to the hearsay rule.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by DraggingCanoe

The Republican party is not a part of this proceeding. They played no role.

LOL.. but who do you think is tarred with the Birther brush?

Hint: It's not the DNC.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by Bideshi

I'm beginning to think you're more concerned with defending Obama than determining the truth.

Man... there go all the irony meters again!!!

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by DraggingCanoe

If the SCOTUS over turns Minor the defendant can escape the NBC definition.

There is no "Minor" definition. It was not a citizenship case.

Originally Posted by DraggingCanoe

The defendant still has to overcome the holding in WKA. He cannot.

The real judges disagree with you:

Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.”

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by DraggingCanoe

The illegal alien uncle can testify the defendants father was not a US citizen.

He can also testify that the defendant was born in Hawaii.