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Old 02-01-2012, 04:47 AM
 
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User fee for roads and bridges would require toll roads and bridges, not tax on gasoline. If I'm paying "user fee" on oil, perhaps it should be only used on oil and nowhere else, not even to help reduce reliance on it? That is as absurd a take as there can be.
You're not paying an oil tax because\ these taxes for the most part are only applied to fuel that is used in vehicles hence the reason it is often referred to as a motor vehicle fuel tax, therefore it's a user fee. For example heating oil(aka diesel fuel) does not have the motor vehicle fuel taxed. Matter of fact there is diesel pumps at many stations at least in my area that have no tax on them for off road use, this non taxed fuel is dyed so it can be detected if it's used for on road use.

I know your next argument is going to be they collect tax on all gasoline however there is a tax rebates available for that.

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Excise Taxes - Construction Tax Tips (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/industries/article/0,,id=99855,00.html - broken link)

Fuel Tax Credits and Refunds
A federal excise tax is imposed on gasoline ($.184 per gallon), clear diesel fuel ($.244 per gallon), and clear kerosene ($.244 per gallon). The amount of these taxes may be credited or refunded if these fuels are used in many types of off-road uses. Common off-road uses include use as heating oil, use in stationary engines, use in non-highway vehicles, and use in separate engines mounted on highway vehicles.
Play your semantic games, I don't care what you want to call it. The bottom line is this, taxes collected at the pump to fuel vehicles should be used exclusively for roads and bridges. If that were the case perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess with crumbling roads and bridges instead of having $500K buses running around with no one on them as we do in my area.

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Old 02-01-2012, 05:58 AM
 
Location: On the Beach
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O'Malley makes the argument that businesses recognize the need for road construction, infrastructure upgrades in the State. So why not tax the businesses who create the wear and tear? Maryland already has an excise tax on gas of 42 cents per gallon (23 of which is State money). Money is tight - cut services, cut education funding, cut whatever must be cut. O'Malley has always been a tax and spender. When he was Mayor of the city, I expressed my complaint about my outrageous property tax on newly constructed homes in the city. At a time when the city was desperate for middle class people to move back to the city his response was, "I have a suggestion, if you don't like the taxes, move to the county". Well, that's exactly what I did and never looked back. Now I'm thinking it may be time to apply his advice to the state I am living in. Enough is enough.
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Old 02-01-2012, 06:03 AM
 
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O’Malley wants 6 percent sales tax added to gasoline - Maryland Politics - The Washington Post

Do you support a sales tax for gasoline in your state, on top of federal and state gasoline taxes that already exist?
I support the tenth amendment. If they feel this is the right way to go about things, I'm not the one who has to live with it. Strange that you make a federal case out of it.
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Old 02-01-2012, 06:24 AM
 
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O'Malley makes the argument that businesses recognize the need for road construction, infrastructure upgrades in the State. So why not tax the businesses who create the wear and tear?
To some extent they do, as your fuel usage increases the amount of tax you pay also increases because you use a lot more fuel per mile. I don't know what the costa are in Maryland but a large single axle truck like a medium sized dump truck is going to be about $600 for the registration each year. It's thousands for larger trucks.

In any event any increased taxes the business pays will be paid by the consumer. I used to have small trucking business and fuel was certainly a large expense and the cost of my services in part were dependent on fuel. If I have to pay more taxes those costs will just be added to the bill, you're going to pay for it one way or the other.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:18 AM
 
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Maryland: More Massachusetts than Massachusetts ever was.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You're not paying an oil tax because\ these taxes for the most part are only applied to fuel that is used in vehicles hence the reason it is often referred to as a motor vehicle fuel tax, therefore it's a user fee.
Doesn't matter what it is called. It is a tax and that is my point. Calling it by any other name doesn't make it something else, or different than sales tax on, say, a t-shirt.

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Play your semantic games, I don't care what you want to call it. The bottom line is this, taxes collected at the pump to fuel vehicles should be used exclusively for roads and bridges. If that were the case perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess with crumbling roads and bridges instead of having $500K buses running around with no one on them as we do in my area.
I'm not the one who is playing semantic games. I'm calling a tax, a tax. Is that bad?
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:25 AM
 
Location: The Nanny State of MD
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O’Malley wants 6 percent sales tax added to gasoline - Maryland Politics - The Washington Post

Do you support a sales tax for gasoline in your state, on top of federal and state gasoline taxes that already exist?
I detest my Governor. He, like most liberals, make no sense. The old, kick 'em while there down strategy is getting old.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You're not paying an oil tax because\ these taxes for the most part are only applied to fuel that is used in vehicles hence the reason it is often referred to as a motor vehicle fuel tax, therefore it's a user fee.
Doesn't matter what it is called. It is a tax and that is my point. Calling it by any other name doesn't make it something else, or different than sales tax on, say, a t-shirt.

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Play your semantic games, I don't care what you want to call it. The bottom line is this, taxes collected at the pump to fuel vehicles should be used exclusively for roads and bridges. If that were the case perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess with crumbling roads and bridges instead of having $500K buses running around with no one on them as we do in my area.
I'm not the one who is playing semantic games. I'm calling a tax, a tax. Is that bad? A tax isn't always designed to go towards an exact effect. We see that with sales tax. Why should oil be immune from it?
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:33 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Doesn't matter what it is called. It is a tax and that is my point. Calling it by any other name doesn't make it something else, or different than sales tax on, say, a t-shirt.


I'm not the one who is playing semantic games. I'm calling a tax, a tax. Is that bad? A tax isn't always designed to go towards an exact effect. We see that with sales tax. Why should oil be immune from it?
Your liquid fuels tax in TX is technically not a sales tax nor is MD's. In most states the liquid fuels tax is directed to be used for transportation related projects to include mass transit.

The MD proposal has the proposed sales tax collected at the wholesale level, not at the pump. The pump price will of course reflect the additional sales tax.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Your liquid fuels tax in TX is technically not a sales tax nor is MD's.

The MD proposal has the proposed sales tax collected at the wholesale level, not at the pump. The pump price will of course reflect the additional sales tax.
My point is, it should be. Can't pay? Don't buy. The least it will do is bring down consumption, which should bring down costs, which should help the poor and the middle class be able to buy more. After all, we're consuming more gasoline today than when it was cheaper, aren't we?
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