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AFter twenty weeks you can only get out the hanger if the mother's life is in jeapordy. Nowhere did I read anything about carring around a dead baby in the womb for twenty more weeks. Maybe some folks should read what is actually in the bill instead of reading some blog and going wild?
Let the twisting and spinning continue.
That's exactly the point. Nowhere in the bill is there language that addresses the death of the fetus in utero. It is across the board illegal to abort a fetus for any reason after 20 weeks other than the potential for serious injury or death to the mother, or to keep the fetus from harm. There is specific language that states that if you intervene in the pregnancy then the fetus is to be removed alive and efforts made to keep it that way.
Regardless of the condition of the fetus. Some medical conditions are not discovered until after 20 weeks. This bill would make it illegal and criminalize doctors for aborting a fetus that was severely damaged and/or non viable, forcing parents to continue with a pregnancy that has no hope of a good outcome for 4 more months and then have to deliver the child, knowing it's going to suffer when it's born and die shortly after.
Again, there are no exceptions to the bill as to the condition of the fetus, except in the case where terminating the pregnancy would save the life of either it or the mother.
There are NO exceptions. Removing a dead fetus is technically an abortion, and worse, if the baby is not going to live but is not going to die while still in the womb, the mother is forced into carrying the baby to term and delivering it, regardless of the prognosis of the baby's condition once it's born.
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The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists recommend dilation and extraction or induction of labor once the diagnosis of stillbirth has been made. The risks of carrying a non-viable fetus are the higher complication rate of delivery versus dilation and extraction, as well as a very high risk to the mother of complications like disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC) if the amniotic sac is ruptured and she is exposed to the dying tissue. For stillbirth or nonviable pregnancies, dilation and extraction is far safer and more effective with 24% of patients undergoing labor experiencing complications compared to 3% for D&E.
Dilation and extraction = abortion, which will be illegal, even after the diagnosis of stillbirth has been made.
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Dr. Ruth Cline, an obstetrician from Athens, said "the language of the bill has clauses of limited exceptions, but this interpretation can require days, months or years of legal review."
"This is not a realistic option when caring for a patient when every minute is critical for optimal care," Cline said. "No physician could afford to risk that his or her care would be examined after the fact to confirm that the law had been followed if criminal penalties were a probability."
This is also an issue. With doctors facing criminal prosecution, how comfortable do you think they're going to be acting in the best interest of both the patient and the fetus?
That's exactly the point. Nowhere in the bill is there language that addresses the death of the fetus in utero. It is across the board illegal to abort a fetus for any reason after 20 weeks other than the potential for serious injury or death to the mother, or to keep the fetus from harm. There is specific language that states that if you intervene in the pregnancy then the fetus is to be removed alive and efforts made to keep it that way.
Regardless of the condition of the fetus. Some medical conditions are not discovered until after 20 weeks. This bill would make it illegal and criminalize doctors for aborting a fetus that was severely damaged and/or non viable, forcing parents to continue with a pregnancy that has no hope of a good outcome for 4 more months and then have to deliver the child, knowing it's going to suffer when it's born and die shortly after.
Again, there are no exceptions to the bill as to the condition of the fetus, except in the case where terminating the pregnancy would save the life of either it or the mother.
There are NO exceptions. Removing a dead fetus is technically an abortion, and worse, if the baby is not going to live but is not going to die while still in the womb, the mother is forced into carrying the baby to term and delivering it, regardless of the prognosis of the baby's condition once it's born.
Dilation and extraction = abortion, which will be illegal, even after the diagnosis of stillbirth has been made.
This is also an issue. With doctors facing criminal prosecution, how comfortable do you think they're going to be acting in the best interest of both the patient and the fetus?
I read the bill and posted a link to it twice.
They also are disregarding the issue of risking the mother's health by having to deliver a larger fetus that will not live. Delivering a full-term fetus can cause a lot of damage. Women who want children are willing to take the risk for a child, but most who have a dying fetus would rather end it sooner and minimize suffering to themselves, their families, and the fetus itself.
They also are disregarding the issue of risking the mother's health by having to deliver a larger fetus that will not live. Delivering a full-term fetus can cause a lot of damage. Women who want children are willing to take the risk for a child, but most who have a dying fetus would rather end it sooner and minimize suffering to themselves, their families, and the fetus itself.
That's completely correct. Under this section, it would be criminal to use any instrument or medication to induce an abortion after 20 weeks under any circumstances except the woman or fetus's life being at risk, which is not going to be the case under the scenario you've just described.
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Article 5 of Chapter 12 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to abortion, is amended by revising Code Sections 16-12-140 and 16-12-141, relating to criminal abortion and when abortion is legal, respectively, as follows:
"16-12-140.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in Code Section 16-12-141, a A person commits the offense of criminal abortion when, in violation of Code Section 16-12-141, he or sheadministers any medicine, drugs, or other substance whatever to any woman or when he or she uses any instrument or other means whatever upon any woman with intent to produce a miscarriage or abortion.
(b) A person convicted of the offense of criminal abortion shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than ten years.
That's any abortion, which includes dilation and extraction of a dead fetus or one that will die in labor or shortly thereafter.
AFter twenty weeks you can only get out the hanger if the mother's life is in jeapordy. Nowhere did I read anything about carring around a dead baby in the womb for twenty more weeks. Maybe some folks should read what is actually in the bill instead of reading some blog and going wild?
Let the twisting and spinning continue.
That's what the left does best. Twisting, spinning, lying and exaggerating.
Look, I don't have a political party; I'm an Independent. IF the GOP is your party, then people like you need to take care of it. Nobody else will.
It seems that responsible, decent, sane Republicans with a sense of proportion and decorum have allowed a lot of knuckleheads take over the GOP. It is up to Republicans to clean up their own house. Never mind what others do or say. Pointing a finger to the other side and saying "they do it too" or "the other side is worse" is not going to solve the problem. Somebody from the GOP needs to lower the hammer on the idiots. Otherwise, your party is going to continue to look bad.
It's up to people like you.
Lower the hammer? Everyone has a right to their own views. The problem is that the left picks out isolated incidents and the very few radicals on the right and uses them as examples of what the entire party stands for. They will even twist, spin and lie about an incident and words from the right as has been obvious by the numerous topics started in this forum. Mostly all lies! I could say the same thing about the left. Why don't they call out the radicals on their side? As you said, "they do it to" or "the side is worse" is what the left says also. Pot, kettle, black!
That's what the left does best. Twisting, spinning, lying and exaggerating.
Please tell me where I've done any of that in the course of posting the bill and the sections in it.
Discussing what's actually in the bill and what it means is not "twisting, spinning, lying and exaggerating", and I'd like you to point to any of my posts that quote the bill and is doing any of those things.
As a woman who advocates for "the unborn", you should look very carefully at this and the implications it has for the suffering of a child born with severe deformities that would be better off never having to suffer birth.
This bill will not allow the termination of a pregnancy that will result in the serious suffering of the baby once it's born.
I cannot take your claim to "care about all human life" seriously if you don't discuss this bill with some degree of intellectual honesty and integrity.
I actually agree. What it is, is a misguided attempt to protect the fetus at ALL COSTS, ignoring the real life implications on the mother or the fetus itself, in an overzealous pursuit of a pro life agenda.
Even if the fetus is no longer alive.
And this is not just a few radical extremist Republican's outside measure. It's been passed in the Georgia house, by a large margin. So we can put that theory to rest.
I actually agree. What it is, is a misguided attempt to protect the fetus at ALL COSTS, ignoring the real life implications on the mother or the fetus itself, in an overzealous pursuit of a pro life agenda.
Even if the fetus is no longer alive.
And this is not just a few radical extremist Republican's outside measure. It's been passed in the Georgia house, by a large margin. So we can put that theory to rest.
Great posts and factual, too!
But
You agreed with c'nut that the statement ""
The GOP hate against women in full force folks. Thats all this is.""
is a ridiculous and false staement.
But then you go on to say """is not just a few radical extremist Republican's outside measure. It's been passed in the Georgia house, by a large margin"""
Add that to all the other anti-women bills and comments by Republicans and their representatives and if "hate " isn't a good word to use then "attacK' could easily be substituted.
And if a Republican openly comparing women to farm animals isn't enough to change your mind......????
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