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so because they do not believe in the things that you do that means they are stupid? Just because someone would rather spend his time off fishing and drinking with his buddies instead of looking at what people call art these days, means nothing other then they understand fun. When people would rather go camping in the woods alone then going to a jazz festival, that does not make them stupid, but instead they enjoy something many are scared to even try.
Years ago I seen a movie, I do not remember which one it was, but they said something very telling. Depending on where you are standing at that very moment everybody can either be a genius or an idiot. I will not tell my IQ, but it is sufficient enough to have been recruited to join a certain organization, I am pretty damn book smart, however put me in the wrong scenarios and I look like the biggest fool out there, ask me to change a head gasket on a car, grease a tractor, drive a semi, put up a tent, and I am in serious trouble.
Enjoying the simple things in life, and working hard does not mean that someone does not have brains, even if they did not do well in school or dropped out at a young age. It just means that they have other priorities in life. Truth is some of the smartest people I have met can barely read and write, but they can drive a semi, they can drill that oil you use in your car, the can build you a house with straight walls and a good roof. They are also smart enough to hire accountants and bookkeepers to makes sure their net income is as little as possible.
Many of those same people are conservatives, because they are tired of the government taxing them to pay for those people who refuse to work, they are tired of government rules and regulations deciding what they can and cannot do, and are tired of hearing how someone needs the government help to do something. Most of these guys make $40-50-60 thousand a year, through their blood and sweat, and the get or take no hand outs, making them more then a little pissed off when they are paying taxes that go to people that refuse to work anywhere close to as hard as they have since the day after they graduated or quit school.
Most I know also do not mind helping someone with a hand up, or taking care of those with disabilities, or the elderly, but if you are healthy and can work, they will help you get a job, and maybe even give you the shirt off the back or gas money to get there, but that is about all because that is about the most they ever got, and if they can do it so should you.
Maybe they do not do as well as you or others do on that stupid test, but I guarantee you cannot spend a week doing their job. Maybe they do not enjoy the things you do, but I tell you most of them are very happy with their overall life, and do not care if you like them. Maybe they believe in religion, but I have yet to have one say anything to me about not going to church. At the end of the day I would rather be associated with this type of person as opposed to those that go to college for 10 years, make a little more money, and are always worried about impressing everybody else and worry about what I do with my money and time.
You expressed my own thoughts better than I could have. I know conservative people, just like the ones you describe here. Talk to anyone that has worked in the construction business for a very long time and is good at what they do. The people that work the hardest in all kinds of weather and know how to built something from the ground up. College graduates pay my husband a lot of money to do all kinds of work that they have no idea how to do, sometimes after trying it themselves. Intelligence and education are two different things. College is just one way to make something of your life, some take another path. Good that you don't tell your IQ. People that do that sound like idiots.
Liberals are the perpetual students of indoctri-nation. They stay in school long after they should be gainfully employed. If they can land a job in said school, that is their mark of success. Whatever they do, they follow the leader, and have no concept of independence. If you know the right answers, the right people, you too can network to success as an owned slave to the money changers.
yes, if you adopted a child from Haiti, a child from china and a child from Russia the child from Haiti is statistically more likely to have a lower IQ than the other two children even when raised in the same environment. That doesn't mean that would always be the case but we're talking averages here.
You said "adopted" which means that now you are adding environmental, cultural and language factors to the equation. That alone makes the statistics flawed
The point of my posts is to prove that people only want to accept science when it supports their views. It is true that conservatives by average have lower IQ's than liberals according to the statistics. But why is it the liberals have such a hard time accepting my statistics which are also true
I don't believe that political afflilation has nothing to do with overall intelligence. Now you may say that due to stringent religious beliefs, financial status, and educational attainment has more to do with the study than anything else
As far as the sexes go, women have smaller brains.......................it's science sweetie.
Can you provide proof of this?
They also are are more emotionally unstable and unable to handle the stresses of modern society because they were never meant to do more than raise children. This is why 1 in 3 women in this country are on antidepressants.
I beg the differ, the amount of stress that todays women have to endure is unbelieveable consider a great deal of them are handling the core of filling both parental roles, even when there is a father at the home who works. This on top of the fact that they are not treated equally nor get paid the same for the same job. This is in addition their own personal probelms, no wonder they would be on anti-depressants
When you logically look at it you have to think that every language written, every mathematical hypothesis, every ocean crossed, every land discovered, every major scientific break threw was all because of a man. Can you name one thing in the history of everything that was thought of by a woman that actually matters
Hmmm, How about nuturing the children so that they can become those people who make scientific breakthroughs. Btw, If you want men to take all of the credit for the world's positives you will have to realize that every war, famine, disease, environmental and economic disaster has been caused by a man.
[quote=LauraC;26531283]One of my favorite C-D posts from JennySquirrel back in 2009 after the 2008 Presidential election:
Thread: For Which Political Party Do The Undereducated Vote?
"We were told that the Rublicans were all old, uneducated, rednecks who live in trailers and the Democrats are brilliant, kind, young, educated and have the good jobs. This is what we were told during the campaign.
Now that the campaign is over, suddenly these old, uneducated, rednecks have somehow managed to leave their trailers and have taken over the executive jobs and are refusing to pay taxes to help the poor, sick, and uneducated Democrats.
I would think that if the Republicans were able to climb from the bowels of the economic ladder and take over the all the top positions, then they might be the ones that you want to ask how to fix the economy. We are being told Obama needs more time for us to see changes. Well look what the redneck Repubs were able to accomplish in just a couple months!
It is obvious that the Dems change the senerio depending what best suits them at the time."
No actually it is the republicans who are the ones running the corperations and they are supported by many of the uneducated, racist, rednecks brtter known as the right wing extremist (teaparty)
Liberals will vote to re=elect Obama which proves they lack intellect.
Voting to re-elect Obama is like the Titanic back-up and running into the iceberg again.
It makes me and other people who think clearly, how can you support someone who will alter what you pay in taxes but yet refuses to shown you his? How can you support someone who changes his position more than a porno star? How can you support someone who wants to balance the budget but somehow can't add? But most of all how can you support someone who says " I will tell you after I'm elected" for anything that he cannot explain at the time?
It is really strange that you claim that the Liberals lack intellect, but yet all of the above pertains to republicans. I was neutral on the political intellect thing but now I might have to reconsider
It makes me and other people who think clearly, how can you support someone who will alter what you pay in taxes but yet refuses to shown you his? How can you support someone who changes his position more than a porno star? How can you support someone who wants to balance the budget but somehow can't add? But most of all how can you support someone who says " I will tell you after I'm elected" for anything that he cannot explain at the time?
It is really strange that you claim that the Liberals lack intellect, but yet all of the above pertains to republicans. I was neutral on the political intellect thing but now I might have to reconsider
What you have posted above is so much "bull" I have to believe you either simply never listen to what is being said "BY THE PERSON YOU MALIGN," you cannot comprehend what you hear or you are from the White House Spin room.
EDIT: I should have put this in originally. If you're a conservative who disagrees with the validity of the (enormous quantity of) studies, actually explain what is flawed in their methodology before blindly labeling them "junk science". Thanks.
According to the Pew Research Center:
30% of social conservatives have incomes >75k, 28% have college degrees.
41% of liberals have incomes >75k, 49% have college degrees.
(in case if you searched it, somebody trolled the wikipedia page on the topic and messed up the figures, but wasn't smart enough to mess up the more in depth chart near the bottom)
And please understand the difference between Democrat/Republican and Liberal/Conservative. Republicans are on average actually more likely to have college degrees than Democrats (although I may be wrong on this), but as a subgroup, self identified Liberals are by far the most educated people in the United States, followed by libertarians.
The entire problem comes from the ones who think smart people should be allowed to run others lives. It's should never be about one person or a group of people. It should always be about policy.
Funny how all these "smart" people are too dumb to figure that out.
btw its Liberals who donate less to charity than conservatives. Guess the conservatives need the liberals to straighten them out on that too.
It's fun to group!
btw its Liberals who donate less to charity than conservatives. Guess the conservatives need the liberals to straighten them out on that too.
It's fun to group!
And before anyone interjects, even after tithing to their churches, Conservatives still donate more of their disposable income to secular charities. They also donate more blood and volunteer more. This false stereotype of the heartless Conservative who hates the poor and disadvantaged needs to be put to rest.
I love how conservatives desperately line up to dismiss my evidence as "bogus", but never quite explain how or why, except with hilarious circular logic like "liberals are dumb because Obama is a liberal and liberals are dumb".
Try providing the research rather than a bunch of news summaries of the research that do not contain any details on the methodology. You are quoting an epidemiological study, in case you were unaware what that is, it is is a study that takes a bunch of research, looks at the conclusions and then attempts to speculate based on those conclusions. It is a correlation of correlation of correlations. It is junk science as it violates a key aspect of scientific process (ie correlation != causation).
Now go look at some of the individual research papers they are pulling from. Read the methodology used in each. Now consider that these papers also make speculations based on statistical probability. Note that doing such is extremely difficult to establish due to unexplained variables and poorly designed test beds (which these individual papers have).
So... what happens when you take a guess, then combine it with a bunch of other guesses? What do you get?
To give you an example, the one paper was a test on which find certain things to be disgusting. They did a phone survey asking political questions of 150, pulled 50 from those and then tested them with pictures according to a standard general scale of approval. They did not specifically establish why the person may have had such a reaction which could be a numerous amount of variables unrelated to political leaning. From this, they statistically establish their conclusion. Now note that the research makes it clear that they do not claim this is a standard among the country or a larger sampling of population.
Thing is, your epidemiological study doesn't care about that. It takes the basic conclusion from the small sampling of a test that is poorly controlled and established and then just runs with it taking each research paper that has similar problems and then establishes a conclusion upon inconclusive previous conclusions.
Junk science, garbage, hokum. It isn't science, it is politically driven to promote political position. Considering what field this comes from, it is par for the course.
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