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Old 11-09-2012, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Originally Posted by plwhit View Post
You forgot to add one thing from that article:

All eight local generators they use to produce power are not working.

You do understand what the word local means, right?

What I posted is correct.....
Nope. Still not correct. You stated "I thank my lucky stars I'm in Texas where we have our own power grid totally independent of the rest of America....." That is simply not true.

1) El Paso Electric buys (solar) power from NEW MEXICO whether those generators are working or not
2) El Paso Electric also buys (nuclear) power from ARIZONA whether those generators are working or not


Electricity for West Texas and Southern New Mexico | El Paso Electric | Map of El Paso Electric Transmission Lines in Arizona

And, rolling black-outs are quite common in areas supplied by El Paso Electric. I know, I received service from them for four years.

Here's a recent example. Note that the reason for the blackouts was a fire in ARIZONA.

"Teresa Souza, spokeswoman for El Paso Electric, said Saturday the fire is five percent contained and had not progressed any closer to the company's Springerville, Ariz. transmission lines, which carry almost 40 percent of the El Paso region's power from the Palo Verde nuclear plant west of Phoenix."

Update: Arizona fire 15 miles from El Paso Electric line, rolling blackout threat remains - El Paso Times

Not gonna beat this horse any longer, just suffice it to say that Texas is not as independent as some may want to believe.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Earth
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America cannot afford a space program any longer, it would be a better venture for private investors.
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America cannot afford a Obama care any longer, it would be a better venture for private investors. I agree
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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Kiss your life as you know it goodbye if Texas ever seceded.

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In the immortal words of the Queen Bee of Conservatives: "Of course, it’s a fungible commodity and they don’t flag, you know, the molecules, where it’s going and where it’s not." Oil is a commodity. Unless the Texans plan to eat it out of spite or something, I can't always decode them very well.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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With the stipulation that we get Austin (the only part of Texas worth anything) I'd be all for it. Hell, I'll go dig the moat along the state line myself.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:29 AM
 
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America cannot afford a space program any longer, it would be a better venture for private investors.
Bah, Virgin is hyped suborbital joyrides for bored multimillionaires.

And America's space program is the best in the world. We're between manned platforms (that has happened before), but the unmanned ventures - landing a 1-ton freakin' vehicle on Mars? - are unparalleled.

And if there was a sudden national-emergency requirement for manned LEO capacity, SpaceX's Dragon - while technically not man-rated yet - now has 3 perfectly successful orbital flights, including 2 dockings with the ISS, under its belt. A crew would have been perfectly comfortable. Sure, it currently lacks abort capability - but then again, the Shuttle was designed without that, yet the risk was deemed acceptable. I have no doubt that the Astronaut Corps would deliver volunteers if asked.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:40 AM
 
Location: USA
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Some folks can't tolerate a "darkie" in the WhiteHouse. They're used to white men living there.

Sorry, had to be said.
welp. that must be tuff for you.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Bah, Virgin is hyped suborbital joyrides for bored multimillionaires.

And America's space program is the best in the world. We're between manned platforms (that has happened before), but the unmanned ventures - landing a 1-ton freakin' vehicle on Mars? - are unparalleled.

And if there was a sudden national-emergency requirement for manned LEO capacity, SpaceX's Dragon - while technically not man-rated yet - now has 3 perfectly successful orbital flights, including 2 dockings with the ISS, under its belt. A crew would have been perfectly comfortable. Sure, it currently lacks abort capability - but then again, the Shuttle was designed without that, yet the risk was deemed acceptable. I have no doubt that the Astronaut Corps would deliver volunteers if asked.
The fact remains that regardless of who Virgin Galactic is marketing to, the R & D gets paid for and the technology is then available to a wider market.
The only sensible solution is a public-private partnership of the type we are already seeing with NASA and SpaceX.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:30 PM
 
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Nope. Still not correct. You stated "I thank my lucky stars I'm in Texas where we have our own power grid totally independent of the rest of America....." That is simply not true.

1) El Paso Electric buys (solar) power from NEW MEXICO whether those generators are working or not
2) El Paso Electric also buys (nuclear) power from ARIZONA whether those generators are working or not


Electricity for West Texas and Southern New Mexico | El Paso Electric | Map of El Paso Electric Transmission Lines in Arizona

And, rolling black-outs are quite common in areas supplied by El Paso Electric. I know, I received service from them for four years.

Here's a recent example. Note that the reason for the blackouts was a fire in ARIZONA.

"Teresa Souza, spokeswoman for El Paso Electric, said Saturday the fire is five percent contained and had not progressed any closer to the company's Springerville, Ariz. transmission lines, which carry almost 40 percent of the El Paso region's power from the Palo Verde nuclear plant west of Phoenix."

Update: Arizona fire 15 miles from El Paso Electric line, rolling blackout threat remains - El Paso Times

Not gonna beat this horse any longer, just suffice it to say that Texas is not as independent as some may want to believe.
El Paso is an example of an ultra-liberal area of Texas. Of course El Paso is not independent, it's got some of the most government dependent types of voters you could ever hope to find. El Paso is certainly not where you're going to find very much of that rugged individualism you might find in other parts of Texas.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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In one word ...... no.

Bur it is possible that a movement will emerge among the more simplistic in both the Red and Blue camps, calling for a Czech/Slovak style "friendly divorce". Regardless of our personal political leanings, that would be a bitter ending to pluralism's greatest success -- no enthusiasm here.

Better to let the malcontents try to eat the seed corn, thereby fortifying their lesson.

Last edited by 2nd trick op; 11-09-2012 at 01:56 PM..
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:25 PM
 
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Whats with all the Texas haters out there? We all know there's only two kinds of people: those from Texas, and those that wish they were.
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