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Old 11-11-2012, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Obama -> and in a downward spiral we go.
When it crashes maybe people will listen. Until then we can punish all the evil rich. When they are tapped out they can also have food stamps
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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The "plan" announcements are part of the WARN Act.
Companies have to announce ahead of time if they are laying off.

This is a government ruling to protect workers so they are not caught by surprise when the layoffs start happening.


They are just following government mandates here.

This is a good site to follow for those announcements and then the actual layoffs.

Daily Job Cuts - Layoff News , Job Layoffs 2012 / 2011 , Bankruptcy, Store closings, Business Economy News

here's a link to the WARN Act:
Compliance Assistance By Law - The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act (WARN)
That first sure as h*** is no government website.

Here's what WARN says:

Generally, WARN covers employers with 100 or more employees, not counting those who have worked less than six months in the last 12 months and those who work an average of less than 20 hours a week.
Employees entitled to advance notice under WARN include managers and supervisors as well as hourly and salaried workers.
Regular federal, state, and local government entities that provide public services are not covered by WARN.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:29 AM
 
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When it crashes maybe people will listen. Until then we can punish all the evil rich. When they are tapped out they can also have food stamps
The essence of socialism is deception. At first it appears that its policies are motivated by the highest of human ideals:compassion, caring, etc. Socialists’ appeals are made on behalf of the poor, the children, the disenfranchised. The reality is that socialism appeals to jealousy, hatred, greed and envy.

The number one attraction is a promise to provide people with economic benefits they have not earned by forcefully taking from the earnings of others. To condone and encourage this “legal plunder” is the epitome of greed.

Socialism operates as a parasite. It takes the earned wealth of the productive members of society and redistributes it to the non-productive members until all the accumulated wealth is dissipated. This does not mean your life will get better because there will be more people to redistribute to, a larger taker base. If unchecked, the process continues until all members of society with the exception of the ruling elite will live in deprivation and poverty. Average citizens are eventually reduced to a state of servitude to the state.

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Old 11-11-2012, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That first sure as h*** is no government website.

Here's what WARN says:

Generally, WARN covers employers with 100 or more employees, not counting those who have worked less than six months in the last 12 months and those who work an average of less than 20 hours a week.
Employees entitled to advance notice under WARN include managers and supervisors as well as hourly and salaried workers.
Regular federal, state, and local government entities that provide public services are not covered by WARN.
Well individual companies don't notify the government for every layoff they do.
That is a good site that follows layoff notices and posts links to the various companies and papers that posted those announcements.

What you want doesn't exist today.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:39 AM
 
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When it crashes maybe people will listen. Until then we can punish all the evil rich. When they are tapped out they can also have food stamps
These policies are not discriminatory solely to the “haves” at the lone benefit of the “have nots,” as populist myth would have us believe.

Given that such policies are most often pandered and enacted for political gain, these policies are often giftwrapped in the naïve shroud of philanthropy but are more routinely used to fuel property reallocation from the middle and lower classes – those least able to shield themselves from resulting higher taxes, lower wages, higher consumer costs, etc. – to the very class of people that were purported to be the targets of these policies in the first place.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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These policies are not discriminatory solely to the “haves” at the lone benefit of the “have nots,” as populist myth would have us believe.

Given that such policies are most often pandered and enacted for political gain, these policies are often giftwrapped in the naïve shroud of philanthropy but are more routinely used to fuel property reallocation from the middle and lower classes – those least able to shield themselves from resulting higher taxes, lower wages, higher consumer costs, etc. – to the very class of people that were purported to be the targets of these policies in the first place.
That's the way it always works out. Why are so many surprised by this ?

If government wants healthcare utopia then it has to take it over 100% and fire up the printing presses.
Or they need to nationalize all companies and then they can mandate whatever they want because they are the employer.

But it's quite silly to think that business will not react to new taxes in this sluggish economy with no fallout.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:43 AM
 
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Well individual companies don't notify the government for every layoff they do.
That is a good site that follows layoff notices and posts links to the various companies and papers that posted those announcements.

What you want doesn't exist today.
The 60 day notice was written into the Warn Law and the companies were legally bound to follow the law. Before election Obama protected himself by telling these companies not to tell people they would lose their job and said the government would pay the legal fees if anyone sues. Yet again, the taxpayer is protection the government and Obama.

See how much Obama cares, he protected his job but stopped the notification of people who would lose their jobs.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The 60 day notice was written into the Warn Law and the companies were legally bound to follow the law. Before election Obama protected himself by telling these companies not to tell people they would lose their job and said the government would pay the legal fees if anyone sues. Yet again, the taxpayer is protection the government and Obama.

See how much Obama cares, he protected his job but stopped the notification of people who would lose their jobs.
That waiver was ONLY given to government contractors due to the fiscal cliff.
It was not given to all employers in the US because of Obamacare mandates.

I think you are confusing issues here.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:47 AM
 
Location: the AZ desert
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Another small business owner who reduced his part-timers' hours to fall under the new minimum and laid off his couple of full timers entirely.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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those least able to shield themselves from resulting higher taxes, lower wages, higher consumer costs, etc. – to the very class of people that were purported to be the targets of these policies in the first place.

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That's the way it always works out. Why are so many surprised by this ?

If government wants healthcare utopia then it has to take it over 100% and fire up the printing presses.
Or they need to nationalize all companies and then they can mandate whatever they want because they are the employer.

But it's quite silly to think that business will not react to new taxes in this sluggish economy with no fallout.
To say silly is being kind. In this election I learned that people can not think past the words that are spoken and do not realize that for every action will be a reaction. The reaction will hurt the middle class for sure and I don't see that life will get any better for the poor. People who had dreams of making a better life for themselves may as well shelve the idea.
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