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Old 11-15-2012, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Denny's...hmmm...not very expensive...let's say $50 for a party of four. Five percent comes to $2.50. I don't see anyone raising much of a fuss. If you can't afford $2.50, you can't afford to eat out.
Republicanism denounces math. It is why they will whine endlessly about having to pay $0.15 more for pizza but couldn’t care less if the uninsured bumps up their insurance premiums and medical costs by hundreds, if not thousands. Hence, perhaps, the best illustration of the penny-wise and pound-foolish.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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I think this is a good idea. Now people will see exactly the cost of Obama Care in terms of jobs and to their bottom line. If the costs are EXPOSED... only then will people begin to see the inherent problems with the legislation
I like this. If it comes out of the employees tips, they're paying for their own insurance.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Denny's...hmmm...not very expensive...let's say $50 for a party of four. Five percent comes to $2.50. I don't see anyone raising much of a fuss. If you can't afford $2.50, you can't afford to eat out.

Secondly, Obamacare has nothing to do with a company's sales figures. Putting a surcharge on sales is an obvious act of being a sore loser.
But it won't be just Denny's. It'll be the gas station, the grocery store, the drug store, the clothing store, etc, etc, etc....all charging 5% more.

Um, yes, obamacare does have to do with the company's sales figures. They have to raise the money somehow to pay it. How do you propose they pay $5k+ per employee per year without raising prices?
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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But it won't be just Denny's. It'll be the gas station, the grocery store, the drug store, the clothing store, etc, etc, etc....all charging 5% more.
When was the first and the last time you noticed price inflation by 5%? Do I hear: Never?
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:32 PM
 
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If he's cutting his employees' hours to avoid providing them the benefits of Obamacare, AND he's increasing his prices to cover the costs of the benefits of Obamacare, then HE's the one benefiting, isn't he? He's not paying to provide those benefits, but he's collecting the money anyway?????
Yeah, what's all the fuss, ObamaCare is freeeeeeeee
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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If he's cutting his employees' hours to avoid providing them the benefits of Obamacare, AND he's increasing his prices to cover the costs of the benefits of Obamacare, then HE's the one benefiting, isn't he? He's not paying to provide those benefits, but he's collecting the money anyway?????
He's doing both to handle the cost of obamacare. I didn't read this as cutting hours to avoid paying under obamacare but as a way to subsidize paying for it.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:35 PM
 
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But it won't be just Denny's. It'll be the gas station, the grocery store, the drug store, the clothing store, etc, etc, etc....all charging 5% more.

Um, yes, obamacare does have to do with the company's sales figures. They have to raise the money somehow to pay it. How do you propose they pay $5k+ per employee per year without raising prices?
No, it won't. Unless it's some massive gas station that has 50 plus employees. And if you can afford 50 plus employees, you should have a healthcare plan in place already.

Who pays your health insurance, btw?
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:39 PM
 
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He's doing both to handle the cost of obamacare. I didn't read this as cutting hours to avoid paying under obamacare but as a way to subsidize paying for it.
He's cutting hours so his employees don't qualify for it. It's not enough that they just work for tips, now he's going to cut their hours to avoid paying for them when he hardly pays them at all anyway. Why do you think we tip so often?? We're paying for the employees. We are. What kind of ridiculous business model is that anyway?

We get a cheap arse meal but pay the employees wages, out of some higglety pigglety honor system. Sucks to be them if we're not feeling it that day.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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No, it won't. Unless it's some massive gas station that has 50 plus employees. And if you can afford 50 plus employees, you should have a healthcare plan in place already.

Who pays your health insurance, btw?
SOMEONE has to pay the bill. Period. If a gas station employs 6 employees to keep it running 24 x 7 (they're open all night here), they now have to pay something around $7k per employee for health care. Where do YOU think the additional $42K is going to come from???? Did I miss that there is an obamacare fairy who pays the bill???

That money will be tacked on to the price of gas. The gas station owner needs to make $800 more per week. He either has to sell more gas, or sell what he sells at a higher price. However, when prices go up, people conserve to they have to go up a little more than you really need to make sure you can cover your costs.

Now add the higher cost of gasoline to transit costs for food and goods AND add the cost of obamacare for grocery store employees, drug store employees, etc, etc, etc.... The gas station is just the start. Everyone will hike prices to pay for health care for their employees AND hike them again to offset increased cost as other business owners hike their prices to offset the cost of obamacare. Unless you find that obamacare fairy....
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:42 PM
 
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SOMEONE has to pay the bill. Period. If a gas station employs 6 employees to keep it running 24 x 7 (they're open all night here), they now have to pay something around $7k per employee for health care. Where do YOU think the additional $42K is going to come from???? Did I miss that there is an obamacare fairy who pays the bill???

That money will be tacked on to the price of gas. The gas station owner needs to make $800 more per week. He either has to sell more gas, or sell what he sells at a higher price. However, when prices go up, people conserve to they have to go up a little more than you really need to make sure you can cover your costs.

NO they do not. You are not required to pay for health insurance if you have under 50 employees. Neither do you get penalized.

For God's sakes, understand the friggin law before you get all indignant about it.
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