Quote:
Originally Posted by rorqual
Yet again you go off on a tangential rant.
You once again make the wrong claim that "Blacks are with democrats for the free stuff" and you again ignore my response - the "Southern Strategy". What was it? What is it? Do you even know or are you trying to just muddle the discussion?
|
"tangential" indeed, but not a rant neighbor. A divergent conversation one might observe. When you open the door with a comment, you open the door for me to follow along. Let's see now, we were on
LBJ, the racist manipulator of evil deeds. Yeah!
That's it. So much for being "tangential".
Next, you misquote me with a DIRECT QUOTE, which I really don't like. Although you chose to ALTER MY QUITE by elimination, you CALSO SAW FIT TO MODIFY THE ACTUAL QUOTE to include sarcastic asides of derision. I checked back. I did NOT see wherein that quote you claimed I said was actually made in that quote.
Not funny at all mister
rorqual and
something the mods should caution you about as it could fall into the general category of trolling. Not realizing it, you've also posted what I actually did say though, as follows:
Quote:
|
"I labelled MAINLY the demonRATic party as those who would USE blacks to SECURE THEIR VOTES. They gave then more welfare and more food stamps and remember "midnight basketball" or was that before your time. In every way they seduced poor blacks to believe that THEY WERE HELPING THEM. They set then up! Set them up to be parasitic failures."
|
As to my claim in that quote, it was precisely what LBJ wanted.
What a not-so-funny fellow you are! Not-so-funny and sad and blind all at the same time, a unique mix of homogenous, albeit negative character traits. Let's get to
your "
Southern Strategy" comment, which you appear to be drooling about, heavens only know why! Must be a wiki version in your mind. Before I go on
I want YOU to remember that it was YOU who opened the door to this ancillary topic discussion. And..., forced me to delve into my abundant American History online link archives, ...hrmmmpph...hrmmmpph, to defend my position!
(All links are still good.)
The demonRATs of those "
Southern strategy" days aligned themselves with the Klan for starters and, using them, built up Jim Crow, which was the formal organizing of all white racist southerners. There was NO Republican Party at that time in the south, so you can't blame them effectively. However, after the '64 civil rights legislation was enacted, with proportionally greater support by Republicans things changed. The Voting Rights Act, passed in the LBJ administration was
only able to get passed DUE TO the support of
Republicans, led by Senate leader Everett McKinley Dirksen(
R-Il). The demonRATic party’s lonnnngtime love affair with racism in fostering segregation is undeniable. Who stood up for “Jim Crow” when President Eisenhower(
R) tried to enforce desegregation at Little Rock, Arkansas’ Central High School? Early demonRATs like Ark Gov. Orvall Faubus, who quickly called-out his state National Guard units to prevent black students from entering the Central High. It was another demonRAT, AL Gov. George Wallace, who famously proclaimed "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever." And it was a demonRAT-controlled legislature in the old Peach State, that picked 'redneck' Lester Maddox to be their governor back in 1966. Tricky-Dicky saw his opportunity in '68 and ignored the whining RATs and went after those southern votes. This is where you jokers try to label a southern strategy upon Republicans as they sought to take advantage of demonRATic racism excesses in the south!
What a reach. Give me a break. The
REAL "
Southern strategy" was
the overt support by demonRATs for Jim Crow AND all the garbage that came along with that and NOT what those of the liberal persuasion use to deflect the truth of the historical record.
Quote:
|
The Republicans were not only the party of Abraham Lincoln, but the party which has always stood for free speech, individual rights and individual choice. It was the Republican Party, which pushed civil rights and passed the first civil rights legislation in 1865 as well as pushed the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments to the constitution, which effectively outlawed slavery. This was also the party that was at the forefront of the Women’s Suffrage movement, which is in harmony with the establishment of 1972 Title IX legislation. Though most don’t recall it, Dwight Eisenhower followed through on the integration of the armed forces. His nomination for President was seconded by Dr. Helen G. Edmonds, a black professor at Durham's North Carolina College. It was President Eisenhower, a Republican who appointed Earl Warren (previous California Republican Governor) as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court who wrote for the unanimous court in 1954 that separate but equal is a myth, and schools and society should become integrated for all Americans.
|
[1]
So it can be fairly said that Republicans did benefit INDIRECTLY from a racially polarized south in this country, BUT...in so doing they created what was never there before with the RATs. Many and large districts of black majorities that finally was to break the death-grip hold on blacks by southern white bigots. Not bad a record for the Repubs
rorgual. A reversal of well-over 180 years of disgraceful demonRATic politics built solely on one thing.
RACISM!
Quote:
|
By the late nineteenth century, however, reconciliation between the North and the South was nearly complete, and popular "scientific" theories about race favored white supremacist views. State governments controlled by Democrats drew up new constitutions and enacted a variety of laws that dramatically restricted suffrage in the South, virtually barring blacks from voting and vastly reducing the scope of government. A combination of municipal ordinances and local and state laws mandating racial segregation ultimately permeated all spheres of public life. The Supreme Court, in rulings such as Plessy v. Ferguson (1896), upheld the South's "new order," which essentially nullified the constitutional amendments enacted during Reconstruction.
|
[2]
And you thought it tactful to your position to bring up this
"Southern Strategy" stuff? That only makes sense if a fella is on 'ludes
! You've muddled up your own mess.
To truly understand LBJ's roots you have to go back to the down and dirty Texas race-based politics in the late 40s where two southern white racists tried to outdo each other. The establishment was represented by Coke Stevenson, a conservative, and his challenger was LBJ, a phony FDR liberal, who would do anything to win. A good friend of mine who lived outside of the Skidmore area related this next event to me that some local-yokel referred to as "the day Alice's blue gown fell off.". That referred to LBJ's people having stuffed one of the ballot boxers in the sleepy little, nondescript town of Alice back then, with 202 NEW signatures all written in one ink and listed alphabetically. Johnson had just stolen the election, making it obvious for spite and Stevenson was livid. He tried to get it nullified at the Texas RAT Convention, but the power had shifted, having been consolidated by that evil strategist Grandpa Lyndon and he failed. Johnson had stolen the election and, but for that single act, your hero
likely would not have ever become what he did.
That is real Southern Strategy as manipulated by LBJ demonRATs of that era.
Quote:
|
The rearguard opposition to civil rights was loud and almost entirely Southern and Democratic; as Kevin Williamson notes, in the 1950s, Southern Democrats in the Senate played what amounted to a good-cop/bad-cop strategy, with Strom Thurmond leading noisy filibusters of civil rights legislation and Lyndon Johnson promising liberal Northern Democrats he could get past the filibusters if the bills were watered down to the point of toothlessness.
|
[3]
The main party was still the "loyal opposition" big 'D' Democratic Party, but the LBJ demonRATs were now on the scene and ready to wreak generational havoc upon a entire race of American black citizens. This can all be documented by an NPR source I have, if you're interested[4].
Maybe now you'll explain how that furthers YOUR position..., while you pick yourself up off the floor
!
A bonus[5] for you:
”These Negroes, they‘re getting pretty uppity these days and that‘s a problem for us since they‘ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we‘ve got to do something about this, we‘ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”[5]
There's even a worse quote at that same source (if you can believe...worse than this one), but it's never been definitively verified to my knowledge and so I don't repeat it.
A more important bonus, after you cut through all the adulation and praise by frineds of LBJ (including Doris Kearns Goodwin) you have the ignominy of LBJ starkly recorded in the REAL record of history (in this case from my same PBS source and transcript) regarding how he, LBJ, contrived a reason for us to attack North Vietnam, to enter the war:
"[McCullough: [voice-over] Johnson watched Goldwater on television, then flicked off the set with a smile. Goldwater had accused the Democrats of being soft on Communism. If Johnson could prove he was a staunch as his Republican rival, he would have more than a victory. The 1964 presidential election would be a landslide.
Less than three weeks later, close to midnight, Johnson made a dramatic television appearance.
Pres. Johnson: As President, I'm Commander-in-Chief. It is my duty to the American people to report that renewed hostile actions against United States ships on the high seas in the Gulf of Tonkin have today required me to order the military forces of the United States to take action in reply. Our response, for the present, will be limited and fitting.
McCullough: [voice-over] American bombers striking deep into North Vietnam demonstrated that Johnson was a committed anti-Communist. Johnson would use this incident to acquire the power to make war in Vietnam whenever and however he would choose.
Johnson accused the North Vietnamese of an unprovoked attack, but in fact, for six months, the President had been running covert raids against North Vietnam. Finally, on August 2, North Vietnamese torpedo boats retaliated. They fired on the U.S. destroyer Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin. The Maddox returned the fire, sinking one Vietnamese and crippling two others.
Dean Rusk, Secretary of State: And we took the view, when that occurred, that that might have been the action of trigger-happy local commanders and did not represent a governmental policy on the part of North Vietnam and so we tended to disregard that attack.
McCullough: [voice-over] Two days after the first incident, fearing they were once again under attack, anxious sailors on the Maddox fired their weapons into a dark, moonless night. Their uneasy commander began sending cables back to the Pentagon.
Daniel Ellsberg, Defense Department Staff: On August 4, I began reading the kind of cable that one very rarely saw in the Pentagon and that I don't -- I very rarely saw again. These were operational cables.
McCullough: [voice-over] Daniel Ellsberg, his second day on duty in the Pentagon, found himself reading this remarkable series of top secret messages from the Gulf of Tonkin.
Daniel Ellsberg, Defense Department Staff: These are operational cables coming in on a flash basis, very special handling, about an operation that was going on at that moment on the other side of the world. The cables said, "We are under attack at this moment. We have just successfully evaded one torpedo. I am taking evasive action now. Two torpedoes. Now" -- another cable -- "four torpedoes are in the water. Six torpedoes are in the water. We have 21 torpedoes" -- not all at the same time, but -- "we've had 21 torpedoes coming at us." Apparently, the water was just strewn with torpedoes.
McCullough: [voice-over] As soon as the Tonkin cables were relayed to the White House, Johnson prepared to retaliate.
Daniel Ellsberg, Defense Department Staff: And then, suddenly, cable came in that was a warning bell, said "Reevaluation of the information we're getting here suggests that freak weather effects and an overeager sonar man may have accounted for most of the reports we've been getting. Recommend full evaluation before any action is taken."
George Reedy, U.S. Senate Staff, White House Press Secretary: Just as soon as we started to get coherent messages that had been put together, I began to feel a cold chill. "Hey, wait a minute. There's something wrong here."
McCullough: [voice-over] The commander of the Maddox was still doubtful. Were any North Vietnamese boats ever out there that dark night? At daybreak, reconnaissance planes scanned the ocean for a slick of oil, a stick of wood, anything that would be evidence of a North Vietnamese attack. Nothing could be found. The evidence was inconclusive, but Johnson went ahead anyway and ordered the first bombing raids on North Vietnam. Retaliation after Tonkin went on for nearly five hours. One pilot was killed, another captured. No one knew how many North Vietnamese were killed. The next day, Johnson presented his version of the incident.
Pres. Johnson: On August 2, the United States destroyer, Maddox, was attacked on the high seas in the Gulf of Tonkin.
]"[4]
Your hero liberals was pure and unrelenting ambitious evil that IS and WAS directly responsible fo the legacy of Vietnam! Together with his able henchman MacNamara, they were arrogance in politics personified.
A history lesson compiled just for you mister
"Southern Strategy" rorqual.
References:
[1]
http://dradamfisher.org/legacy_ncc.asp
[2]
http://www.mlk-hawaii.com/civilrightmovement.htm
[3]
http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2012/07/11/the-southern-strategy-myth-and-the-lost-majority/
[4]
www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/transcript/lbj-transcript
[5]
fdfny.org/blog/2011/09/18/these-uppity-negroes-lbj
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
. You MUST be familiar with that
Before you start to lecture me on America History get a copy of Bob Caro's book> Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson. Unredacted history and you'll have the answer to that question. The 1957 bill was sent to LBJ's Congress by Ike, passed ONLY with the intervention of the later-to-be disgraced and then Vice President Richard 'Tricky-Dicky' Nixon and opposed exclusively by those damned demonRATs, not the Southern variety, but clowns from the north like Mansfield, Magnuson, Morse under the tutelage duress of that benevolent old southern demonRAT Grandpa Lyndon. Ha! I still remmber the three 'M's, but there were two more of thos 'M's I believe. Whatever.
Fella said one time, he said 'How d' y'all get ya slice of this here American pie'. Other fella scratched his head an' smiled an' said... 'I always got started in the MIDDLE and fetched out what I could handle at the time!'. Works for me.
