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Old 07-09-2013, 06:40 AM
 
Location: DFW
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No. It will show that you can set someone up, PROVOKE them and then shoot and legally kill them by claiming you acted in self defense.
IF that's true... a person should not be so easily PROVOKED to where they assault someone.

Once you assault, you can pay the price.

 
Old 07-09-2013, 06:43 AM
 
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This is what I have been saying for a while, too, and I use my own boys as examples (I have five boys ranging from 18 to almost 38). There is a huge difference in how they think and their world experiences, even between the 18-year-old, who just graduated high school, started his first job, and is looking for an apartment, and the almost 23-year-old, who has been a self-supporting adult for the last four years and who just bought his first home.
A question. What if one of your boys when he was 20 or 21 years old had problems with the law. Say mutual restraining orders with a gf and a runin with an underover cop at a bar. Signs of an anger management problem that he went to classes to resolve.

That boy is now 28 years-old and accused of murder. Would you think that 'past history of violence' and 'criminal record' is an indicator that he would commit the murder he's accused of 7 years later ?
 
Old 07-09-2013, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Oh, my, surely they aren't going to put Bao back on, and as a defense witness.! Maybe it's to impeach him. I wouldn't want the jury to think I had such a weak case as to put that lunatic back on.

That's what they're talking about right now.

I'm enjoying how the Traybots who have been saying George inflicted his own injuries are now saying having his head slammed into the concrete twice isn't enough. Twice isn't enough!

The worm turns.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 06:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by FancyFeast5000 View Post
No. It will show that you can set someone up, PROVOKE them and then shoot and legally kill them by claiming you acted in self defense.
What is your legal threshold for "provoke" where the offended party can legally commit assault?

That's really the lynch-pin right there.

I personally don't feel that "following" someone meets an acceptable level where assault is justified. Now if they were demanding money, shoving or saying they were going to jack the person up then sure.

But I want to hear what you think justifies assault....I mean, if I have some teenagers walking behind me at night in my neighborhood can I beat them up?
 
Old 07-09-2013, 06:49 AM
 
Location: The Golden State, USA
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The defense has the only other person who was there & rather than put that person on the stand they want to show a computerized makeup of the event.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 06:51 AM
 
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The whole problem with this case is that NEITHER Zimmerman nor Trayvon is a sympathetic figure thus creating a ton of grey area that people in this thread clearly are imposing their own biases onto.

The amount of bad information and opinion flying around in posts is breathtaking.

Most of the people here staked out positions long ago before getting all the information because of race, politics and a host of other garbage.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 06:55 AM
 
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The defense has the only other person who was there & rather than put that person on the stand they want to show a computerized makeup of the event.
Errrr.....isn't their version of events and walkthrough with police already logged as evidence?

No doubt there are other reasons the defense wants to keep him off the stand but making it sound like they are witholding the defendants version of events is incorrect.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 06:57 AM
 
Location: N 30° W 89°
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At the risk of being obnoxious, just imagine that the roles had been reversed, Trayvon had been armed, and for some reason had followed Zimmerman on that dark rainy night, first in his car, and then by foot, and then, after an altercation, shot Zimmerman to death. What do you think would have happened?
Nothing.
THAT happens all the time.
 
Old 07-09-2013, 06:59 AM
 
Location: The Golden State, USA
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Errrr.....isn't their version of events and walkthrough with police already logged as evidence?

No doubt there are other reasons the defense wants to keep him off the stand but making it sound like they are witholding the defendants version of events is incorrect.
There are not OTHER reasons, their is one reason. Zimmerman's lies would be exposed by cross examination. The defense knows it!
 
Old 07-09-2013, 07:00 AM
 
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The defense has the only other person who was there & rather than put that person on the stand they want to show a computerized makeup of the event.
GZ cannot stand up to cross examination due to the inconsistencies that have emerged throughout the course of all of this and that little factoid is indesputable.
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