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Old 07-25-2013, 11:55 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Yes. It's not the men wearing the burkas or the chastity belts or being locked up in a bower or submitting to virginity tests or having major parts of their genitals removed or being shot for dancing.

Some are, some aren't. People will defend what they're used to. For some, eagerly embracing male protection - father, brothers, husband, klan - is the only survival strategy.
A little off topic, but have you read The Bookseller of Kabul? It offers some very interesting insights, in terms of how both the women and men view their roles in a fundamentalist-Islam society. Wish the author had explored the woman's perspective a little more deeply, but I understand it was the male (head of household) hosting him for this experience. It's non-fiction, btw.

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Old 07-25-2013, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Japan
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How is a woman's choice to have multiple (by that I mean any number over ONE) partners in her lifetime good or bad? It's a personal choice like any other, and as long as you're being safe & it's all consensual, I don't see why it would be negative. Maybe you wouldn't make this choice, but that alone wouldn't necessarily make you any better than them.
I don't mean morally good or bad in some abstract philosophical or religious sense. I'm talking about all the various criteria a woman might choose to judge the quality of her life. Does the freedom to spend her child bearing years bedding a variety of good looking bad boys, instead of choosing one husband/provider and procreating with him, make a woman happier and give her a better life?
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:07 AM
 
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I don't mean morally good or bad in some abstract philosophical or religious sense. I'm talking about all the various criteria a woman might choose to judge the quality of her life. Does the freedom to spend her child bearing years bedding a variety of good looking bad boys, instead of choosing one husband/provider and procreating with him, make a woman happier and give her a better life?
Guess that's subjective isn't it?

Is it possible a lifelong drifter lived a happier life than a wall street exec at the end of the day?
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Old 07-26-2013, 01:00 AM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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I don't mean morally good or bad in some abstract philosophical or religious sense. I'm talking about all the various criteria a woman might choose to judge the quality of her life. Does the freedom to spend her child bearing years bedding a variety of good looking bad boys, instead of choosing one husband/provider and procreating with him, make a woman happier and give her a better life?
Depends on who you ask, I suppose... and you're again being very "black and white" about things, like our only options are to get married & settle down, or "bed a bunch of bad boys." I am almost 37 years old, and neither of those descriptions would fit me! I'm not a virgin, have no burning desire to marry, and ALSO show some restraint and discretion when it comes to dating/sex. Why is it so hard to believe this balance is possible, and why do you think being married is the only path to happiness and/or fulfillment in life?

Now that we're not all dependent on men financially (I have a very nice career myself), we have the luxury of taking our time to find the RIGHT partner. No longer are we restricted to living with our parents forever, or marrying the first decent mate to come along and ask... we can "shop around," and see what's out there before deciding whether or not to marry. That doesn't mean you have to sleep with all of them, but if that's where it goes with some, I see no problem with that either. Again, it is possible to be something between a virgin and a floozy. Furthermore, it is also not uncommon for women (or men) to be very promiscuous in their youth, and eventually go on to marry a nice partner. Anyway, I just think you are seeing things as two extremes, and forgetting about all the gray in the middle.

P.S. Sorry for my use of the word "floozy," but I think it's the only one of that definition C-D will allow.

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Old 07-26-2013, 01:46 AM
 
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Dumb. Really dumb...creepy too.
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:00 AM
 
Location: Wilsonville, OR
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Extremely weird and creepy.
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:51 AM
 
Location: texas
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If I disagree, Im intolerant.
if I agree, to opponents I am the cause of America's ills.

so I have no position.
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:59 AM
 
Location: North America
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Purity ball - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

they're pretty much commitment ceremonies that fathers and daughters attend. the daughters pretty much promise to stay "pure" until marriage. sometimes rings are involved. the people on this particular documentary I'm watching are creepy, full on "Christian" cons. on the other story I referenced, they were not so intense.

So, no sons. It's ok in their eyes for sons to have premarital sex but not the daughters?
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Old 07-26-2013, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Basically a meaningless oath to your father that you'll be a good girl.

Hormones, teenagers, and everyone looking hot at 16 and 17 won't change.
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Old 07-26-2013, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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If you consider women to be a commodity to be bought and sold by men virginity increases her value. If you consider a woman to be a free person virginity is irrelevant.

IMHO - some men prefer virgins so their sexual prowness will never be compared to any other man.
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