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Old 08-18-2013, 03:42 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Why would your husband have shot a homeless man asking for change? Was your husband in any kind of danger? Did the man asking for change threaten him?

It's very clear that you have no understanding of what SYG actually means.
I think that she was saying if the panhandler was overly aggressive in asking for change and some naive person could percieve that as a threat and shot him under SYG
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Old 08-18-2013, 03:46 PM
 
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After reviewing the pros and cons of SYG, I understand it's intended purposes but I also understand the possibilities for abuse. Anyone who is familiar with the law and have at least a compentent lawyer can manipulate the law into their favor, thus giving them a get out of jail card free for murder, rather intentional or not.
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Old 08-18-2013, 03:56 PM
 
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cons of SYG, I also understand the possibilities for abuse. Anyone who is familiar with the law and have at least a compentent lawyer can manipulate the law into their favor, thus giving them a get out of jail card free for murder, rather intentional or not.
I see it the same way as you. Not only is it dangerous, it lacks sanity.
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Old 08-18-2013, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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On the contrary, as I feel guns have a time and a place, but in the streets in every man, woman, and child's hands, isn't the way.
That statement proves you have no idea what you're talking about but have swallowed the medias distortion of both SYG and what America is like at all.
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Old 08-18-2013, 04:11 PM
 
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On the contrary. I think I have a decisively clear and thorough understanding of what SYG entails.
Not if you honestly believe these statements you made to be true, honest or in any way logical.

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On the contrary, as I feel guns have a time and a place, but in the streets in every man, woman, and child's hands, isn't the way.
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A man approached my husband the other day while he was sitting in the car at the bank. The man was homeless and all he wanted was some spare change, should my husband (if he lived in the States) have shot him?
You also used the Trayvon Martin case as an example of why SYG laws were wrong but the Trayvon Martin case had nothing to do with SYG, it was a very basic self defense case involving a physical assault and the person being assaulted using deadly force to defend their life.
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Old 08-18-2013, 04:30 PM
 
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it was a very basic self defense case involving a physical assault and the person being assaulted using deadly force to defend their life.
I'm more inclined to believe it was the result of an insane justice system that had no other alternative than to side with an insane law, rather than believe it was the result of a true honest-to-goodness textbook case of self-defense.
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Old 08-18-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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I'm more inclined to believe it was the result of an insane justice system that had no other alternative than to side with an insane law, rather than believe it was the result of a true honest-to-goodness textbook case of self-defense.
A justice system that had no other alternative than to side with which insane law?

Self defense is a very basic, fundamental right of any human being regardless of state or country, wouldn't you agree?
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Old 08-18-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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Self defense is a very basic, fundamental right of any human being regardless of state or country, wouldn't you agree?
Absolutely, just so long as it's outside of the cowardly SYG Law.
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Old 08-18-2013, 05:34 PM
 
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A justice system that had no other alternative than to side with which insane law?

Self defense is a very basic, fundamental right of any human being regardless of state or country, wouldn't you agree?
That is true but the way some of the SYG Laws are written, it leaves alot of areas for it to be abused. I have absolutely no probelm with the Castle Law which states that you have the right to protect your family and home with lethal force. This gets thrown out of the window when it comes to police busting into your home without identifying themselves since it is your word verses theirs.
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Old 08-18-2013, 05:51 PM
 
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Absolutely, just so long as it's outside of the cowardly SYG Law.
You're not making any sense... If a person is legally carrying a self defense firearm and they are physically attacked you're ok with a person defending their own life as long as it doesn't fall under a SYG law?

How exactly is defending your own life cowardly?
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