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The whole idea that because some immigrants bring skills and knowledge to America, then we should have even more immigrants is stupid. The key is to be selective. Immigration is not a right. It is not a form of charity. Immigration is a privilege granted to others by the citizens of America. Only the those that can bring something of value to America should be allowed to come. America does itself no favors by allowing in millions of uneducated and unskilled people.
The same can be said about Mexico and almost any other country in 2013. But that's still NO reason to allow illegal aliens to stay. Legal aliens still have to follow the rules before they can get their citizenship unless it's some place like Liberia where NO "white" people can be naturalized.
Well if you go far back enough sure, but the US is an extremely young nation, not only as the "United States of America" but considering most Americans trace back to immigrants in the last 200-300 years from the other side of the Ocean. That's quite different that current native peoples in most areas, who do see migration between nearby regions, but much more rarely (and not entirely) of such distant source regions.
Many disagree with your statement. Many people (including myself) think our current immigration policy is not only extremely difficult but we should allow people to reside here while they seek immigration. If it's to remain lengthy and difficult then it should be in a process where people are allowed to stay while they go through it.
Many of most Americans ancestors mostly just had to sign a piece of paper to immigrate. I'm so glad my immigrant ancestors (many of which date back to the 1600-1700s) didn't have the same ridiculous process we have now.
Great idea! Round up all the illegals and deport them. Wonder why nobody has ever thought of that before. Even better: Pass laws to prohibit illegal aliens from entering the country.
The truth is this: Illegal aliens are in the country because Americans with money and lobby power want them in this country. There are billions of dollars being made on illegal aliens--and that big money is dependent on their illegal status.
Nothing will be done to get rid of them, nothing will be done to make them legal residents. Billions of dollars are riding on the status quo.
I know, just think of all the Social Security taxes being paid that will never be given back to the illegals who work here on fake Social Security numbers. The government is making tons of money off that.
Hi. I'm an immigrant. I'm also a kick-ass network engineer with decades of experience under my belt. I've also been trying like hell to find a network engineer for an open slot in my team, and I don't mind saying that it's been ridiculously hard. (Not a bad position, either - six figures out the gate, nice benefits package etc.)
We have a good prospect in a contract-to-hire situation now, but he's the third candidate in the slot - one left on his own, one had to be dropped due to attitude problems. Both true-blue Americans. (Incidentally, my boss is an immigrant, and I don't mind admitting that she kicks my ass, skill-wise.)
You want the skills we're looking for, you need to have started honing them ten years ago. I don't care how many Americans there are who want the job - there are many - but the number of people who can handle the job is much lower.
These companies should start working with the school districts to better hone the skills needed in the future labor market. Force kids to take at least two years of computer science like they do for foreign languages. Don't just teach them how to use a computer, teach them how to write programs.
These companies should start working with the school districts to better hone the skills needed in the future labor market. Force kids to take at least two years of computer science like they do for foreign languages. Don't just teach them how to use a computer, teach them how to write programs.
Here is the thing...computer science does almost nothing for somebody looking to go to work in the networking field. And neither does programming language or coding.
Networking is pretty much a cornered market by Cisco which has proprietary hardware and routing protocols.
It's not like going to learn....plumbing. It's a specialized field. Maybe if they didn't wipe out all the vocational schools in the country, this could have been a reality. But, you have to pay your way for everything now.
why do you think zuckerberg is such a pro immigration advocate?
he is because they have the knowledge to create, especially indian and chinese immigrants.
americans know how to use a smartphone, they can't create an app or create a network though.
there are plenty of skilled jobs available in this country, the problem is Americans are not skilled enough for the positions. we are a service based country, restaurants, fast food, retail, thats what we do well.
i get tired when i hear of conservatives talking about immigrants taking skilled jobs away for the following reasons i listed.
they would hire americans if americans could do the job. they cant.
I agree....Here on the central coast? The laws have become very stringent as well as ICE raids which has illegal immigrants going back to the homeland..
Point in fact? There was an article in our local newspaper stating the crisis of our mainly AG town and the crops were going to waste? And the central coast would be losing money...?
WE ARE TALKING BIG MONEY CORPS THAT RESIDE IN THE COUNTY..THAT ARE responsible for delivering fresh produce to many states, you know local grocery stores, Albertsons, vons, HEB, walmart.
WE all scream "STOP illegal immigration" Easy work right? No, back breakihg work for minimum wage and no bennies...Yet? In see no White Americans along with any other ethnicity working those fields...Why?
Huge corps RUN the show and they are betting on the cheapest labor and the hardest workers to bring them the biggest buck for cheap....
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Originally Posted by MTSilvertip
No-one wants legal immigrants to leave, but if they did, perhaps there would be incentive for Americans to step up to the plate and actually work to fill those jobs?
It's easy now to say "I can't find the talent I need" and bring someone in from overseas. If there were actually jobs open then perhaps instead of useless Liberal Arts degrees, our kids would invest in degrees in hard sciences and mathematics instead?
If we weren't reduced to a service based economy, perhaps we could start rebuilding the business climate that once existed to create jobs here?
As long as it is simpler and cheaper to hire someone with the skills overseas and import them here, or export manufacturing jobs because of cost, nothing will change no matter if all immigrants left or not.
The liberal arts is not useless talent they teach our future gens...do not forget that...However I do agree what some of what you state...I for one am sick and tired of looking at the stats each year as we see our nation falling further and further behind in the education sector.
We are taking money that should be invested in Public education ( Dome with a liberal arts degree) and placing the funds somewhere else...
We are robbing our future gens/leaders with the education they deserve..Some countries place most of their dividends in education because they are aware that education is key...
Most students abroad are educated in English and other languages...They are trilingual..They got it, we obviously have not...
Here where I reside we have several convenience store owned by Croatians, they not only speak their language but english and spanish as well...
Yet we go abroad and we have the audacity to get upset when no one speaks English, really?
Some countries? Korea for instance, I have a friend whom works in accounting and states openly, 'Our school system sucks, when I was a child in Korea? We went to school 6 days a week everything revolved around our studies..
Yet here in our country? We have Head Start which is based on excellence..Educators teaching toddlers and pre school aged students? Must have at least an AA and working towards their bachelors degrees? And yet their program is geared towards the low income sector?
Yet private center based care for middle class and above? Only requires 9 college units? From their teachers?
My son attended private school and he was doing math and english in 8th grade that he is repeating his Junior year in a public HS ( Because he wanted to be normal kid) and his teacher wonder why he is bored?
Really?
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Not true.
Are you not aware that there are people born and raised in the United States of America who don't speak a word of English? We can start with the Navajos, Hopi and work our way through the list. Those Navajos and Hopis do NOT share a culture with the white-bread Europeans from which I'd guess you descended. And they don't share a culture with those who descended from people who came from Africa. Or Vietnam. Or Paraguay.
My gosh. I don't know which is worse. The arrogance or ignorance. Does no one read books anymore? Go to museums? Listen in school?
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When I was growing up in the 1960s the large city I lived in had basically no immigrants and some how we lived well and the city was prosperous. If we could do well in 1965 with very few immigrants, why is it any different today?
No immigrants at your age? I find that hard to fathom since the influx ocurred during your time or the time of your parents...
So many yet they wore white faces so this makes sense...
Irish, Italian, welsh, polish and so forth youare all immigrants please...
All of the aforementioned where not BORN here..
We want to talk about real Americans? Let us start with Native AMERICANS..
Here is the thing...computer science does almost nothing for somebody looking to go to work in the networking field. And neither does programming language or coding.
Networking is pretty much a cornered market by Cisco which has proprietary hardware and routing protocols.
It's not like going to learn....plumbing. It's a specialized field. Maybe if they didn't wipe out all the vocational schools in the country, this could have been a reality. But, you have to pay your way for everything now.
My school district had a career center where students could sign up to take four hours of instruction in a specific field every day. They got to leave our campus and go to the career center for half the day. Subjects ranged from drafting/autoCAD, computer science, printing (it was the '80s), cosmetology, auto mechanics, etc. Why not add things like HVAC, plumbing, networking, electricians, etc. I figure there will always be a need for certain skilled labor. As far as I know, many schools are still doing it. I agree with you, they shouldn't have to go to some vocational college that charges $10K - $20K for a six-month certificate. They should offer it in high school career centers.
My school district had a career center where students could sign up to take four hours of instruction in a specific field every day. They got to leave our campus and go to the career center for half the day. Subjects ranged from drafting/autoCAD, computer science, printing (it was the '80s), cosmetology, auto mechanics, etc. Why not add things like HVAC, plumbing, networking, electricians, etc. I figure there will always be a need for certain skilled labor. As far as I know, many schools are still doing it. I agree with you, they shouldn't have to go to some vocational college that charges $10K - $20K for a six-month certificate. They should offer it in high school career centers.
I don't know where you're from but most of the high schools I know have really marginalized those programs. When I went to HS they had metal shop, wood shoo, auto shop, comp class, hvac as well. But my HS has dropped all the above and many surrounding municipalities schools have followed suit.
There are a few vocational high schools but they are starting to.go the way of the tooth fairy.
The education system simply has not updated itself to evolve with a modern workforce and it is a major problem.
Charter schools were supposed to remedy this issue but they are becoming corporate farm systems that "nudge" kids into the respective skills that suits whoever funds these schools best
I don't know where you're from but most of the high schools I know have really marginalized those programs. When I went to HS they had metal shop, wood shoo, auto shop, comp class, hvac as well. But my HS has dropped all the above and many surrounding municipalities schools have followed suit.
There are a few vocational high schools but they are starting to.go the way of the tooth fairy.
The education system simply has not updated itself to evolve with a modern workforce and it is a major problem.
Charter schools were supposed to remedy this issue but they are becoming corporate farm systems that "nudge" kids into the respective skills that suits whoever funds these schools best
I went to high school in Houston in the 1980s. I know they still have the career center in that school district, and there is one in Katy where I live now. I have no idea what programs they offer though. The question is, do they encourage students to take advantage, or are they always pushing everyone to go to college. I'm not sure yet, but I'll know more about what's offered in a year or two when my daughter is in high school.
Uh; maybe legal aliens but NOT naturalized US citizens unless they break some SERIOUS laws like some of those Nazis who LIED on their citizenship applications.
The topic title seems to be asking the question of what if all those not born in America disappeared which seems to go way beyond just illegals.
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Not true.
