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Old 04-30-2014, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Originally Posted by BigDGeek View Post
I know. We need to do away with capital punishment already.

And denying someone their last meal because it's too expensive when they're about to be executed is unbelievably petty. You can barely eat at Chili's for $15 anymore. Ugh. Stay classy Oklahoma.
Too bad his victim didn't get to choose what would be her last known meal. I wonder if he gave her the option to choose how she was going to die.

Ugh, stay classy apologists.
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Old 04-30-2014, 05:12 AM
 
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POS DOA.

Justice was served.
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Old 04-30-2014, 05:20 AM
 
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I'm pro death penalty, but think it should be clean and without suffering. This is just terrible. Why not bring back the firing squad? Also, they refused to pay more for his last meal? Unbelievable.

Oklahoma Inmate Dies After Execution Is Botched - ABC News

It took almost 45 minutes for him to die, with him at one point into the execution sitting up and saying "something's wrong." The officials said it was hard to watch. He was sentenced to death 20 years ago after aiding in killing and witnessing the live burial of Stephanie Neiman.
We as American citizens are protected against this by the 8th amendment.....

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

Like it or not......
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Old 04-30-2014, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I see very few constitutional defenders of the second amendment willing to allow an open violation of the 8th amendment (cruel and unusual punishment). Sure seems like torture to me.
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Old 04-30-2014, 05:25 AM
 
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I see very few constitutional defenders of the second amendment willing to allow an open violation of the 8th amendment (cruel and unusual punishment). Sure seems like torture to me.
It was not cruel and unusual punishment.

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"The cruelty against which the Constitution protects a convicted man is cruelty inherent in the method of punishment, not the necessary suffering involved in any method employed to extinguish life humanely," the majority opinion stated. Louisiana ex rel. Francis v. Resweber, 329 U.S. 459, 67 S. Ct. 374, 916 L. Ed. 422 (1947).
Cruel and Unusual Punishment legal definition of Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Cruel and Unusual Punishment synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

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...a prisoner usually must show that the institution's officials or officers acted with "deliberate indifference" to the prisoner's constitutional rights. This means that:

The institution's employees were aware of some danger or risk of harm to an inmate; and

The employees chose not to take any steps to remedy the problem; and

The inmate's fundamental rights were violated as a result.
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal...unishment.html

The point being, this is what the convict ASKED for. He asked for these drugs because he didn't want the other drugs that had been used. Lethal injection is NOT considered "cruel and unusual". There was no devious plan to make this inmate suffer. It was a mistake, sure, but cruel and unusual, no.
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Old 04-30-2014, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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It was not cruel and unusual punishment.



Cruel and Unusual Punishment legal definition of Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Cruel and Unusual Punishment synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

The point being, this is what the convict ASKED for. He asked for these drugs because he didn't want the other drugs that had been used. Lethal injection is NOT considered "cruel and unusual". There was no devious plan to make this inmate suffer. It was a mistake, sure, but cruel and unusual, no.
Lethal injection where the patient lives is considered cruel and unusual punishment, the mixture being used is not effective they knew that in advance. What the victim asked for is irrelevant, the state is supposed to administer a fair and quick end to his life.
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Old 04-30-2014, 05:34 AM
 
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Lethal injection where the patient lives is considered cruel and unusual punishment, the mixture being used is not effective they knew that in advance. What the victim asked for is irrelevant, the state is supposed to administer a fair and quick end to his life.
Read above...you missed the latter part.

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...a prisoner usually must show that the institution's officials or officers acted with "deliberate indifference" to the prisoner's constitutional rights. This means that:

The institution's employees were aware of some danger or risk of harm to an inmate; and

The employees chose not to take any steps to remedy the problem; and

The inmate's fundamental rights were violated as a result.
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal...unishment.html

There was no devious plan to make this inmate suffer.
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Old 04-30-2014, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Lethal injection where the patient lives is considered cruel and unusual punishment, the mixture being used is not effective they knew that in advance. What the victim asked for is irrelevant, the state is supposed to administer a fair and quick end to his life.
Baloney.

And he didn't live.

/end
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Old 04-30-2014, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Read above...you missed the latter part.



http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal...unishment.html

There was no devious plan to make this inmate suffer.
There were already previous executions that had problems with lethal injection due to lack of key ingredients, they were aware of the issues. This was the first time they used this mixture, it was an experiment.
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Old 04-30-2014, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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I'm not pro death penalty but while we're on the topic of cruel and unusual punishments, I always assumed beheading or hanging to be the best options. Technology has come a long way. Surely there's a better guillotine by now... Not that I'm advocating it or anything but if your head is on the floor, you're certainly not going to run into the same issues as you had with this particular incident.
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