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Old 04-30-2014, 07:36 AM
 
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Too bad his victim didn't get to choose what would be her last known meal. I wonder if he gave her the option to choose how she was going to die.

Ugh, stay classy apologists.
He would have been less of a monster if he would have at least thought to shoot her again and made sure she was dead before his friends buried her. Scumbag!
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Old 04-30-2014, 07:43 AM
 
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His crime is too sickening for me to form a rational comment, or maybe it's just that his crime is so bad that even a rational response still can't be posted on this site.
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Old 04-30-2014, 07:43 AM
 
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I still don't understand why Americans have to have to make the death penalty in to some macabre side show, with viewing galleries and strange methods of execution.

When we had the death penalty in Britain it was largely carried out by those who sought to just dispatch the guilty individual as quickly and painlessly as possible.

As I have already stated Albert Pierrepoint, hung over 435 people, including Americans guilty of crimes while posted in Britain during WW2, as well as the Nazi War Criminals at Nuremberg, serial killers, those involved in crimes of passion such as Ruth Ellis and even people who later turned out to be innocent.

Albert Pierrepoint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





I recall that there were many executions in Great Britain before a large audience. And hanging isn't always quick and painless. You really think hanging is less painful than getting an IV full of lethal drugs? It's not like cyanide. If done correctly, it's no worse than what they do in hospice or to dogs. Heck, Belgium I think allows assisted suicide in the same manner.
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Old 04-30-2014, 07:47 AM
 
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Old 04-30-2014, 07:55 AM
 
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I recall that there were many executions in Great Britain before a large audience. And hanging isn't always quick and painless. You really think hanging is less painful than getting an IV full of lethal drugs? It's not like cyanide. If done correctly, it's no worse than what they do in hospice or to dogs. Heck, Belgium I think allows assisted suicide in the same manner.
Executions were moved from the public realm to the private realm in the 1800's in Britain (the last public hanging was 1868), so I am not sure how you recall many executions in front of audiences in Great Britain. Whilst only those involved in the execution and clergy were allowed within the prison environment.

As for hanging if correctly carried out, you could be dead within seconds and individuals such as Albert Pierrepoint were very skilled at taking weight, height and other factors in to consideration.

I have always thought American methods of capital punishment were over the top and macabre, whether it be electric chairs, gas chambers or being strapped to a gurney and pumped full of untried experimental drugs. The result being a freak show come horror show in which the individuals veins exploded and he didn't die for over 40 minutes.

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A death row inmate spent forty minutes writhing in agony before dying of a heart attack following a new cocktail of drugs administered in a lethal injection on Tuesday night.

Oklahoma prison officials halted Clayton Lockett's execution after the experimental drug left the man writhing and clenching his teeth on the gurney.

The 38-year-old, who was found guilty of shooting a woman and watching his friends bury her alive, was declared unconscious ten minutes after the first of the state's new three-drug lethal injection combination was administered.

Three minutes later, though, he began breathing heavily, writhing, clenching his teeth and straining to lift his head off the pillow. It later emerged his vein had ruptured.

The blinds were eventually lowered to prevent those in the viewing gallery from watching what was happening in the death chamber, and the state's top prison official eventually called a halt to the proceedings.

Lockett died of a heart attack a short time later, the Department of Corrections said.

Local media present said Mr Lockett sat up and said 'something’s wrong' 13 minutes into the procedure.

'It was a horrible thing to witness. This was totally botched,' said Lockett's attorney, David Autry.

Execution of Clayton Lockett is horribly botched in Oklahoma | Mail Online
It just makes it all the more laughable when Americans try to criticise other countries Human Rights records, even the Chinese with a bullet in the back of the head, execute people more humanely.

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Old 04-30-2014, 08:06 AM
 
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Executions were moved from the public realm to the private realm in the 1800's in Britain, so I am not sure how you recall many executions in front of audiences in Great Britain.

As for hanging if correctly carried out, you could be dead within seconds and individuals such as Albert Pierrepoint were very skilled at taking weight, height and other factors in to consideration.

I have always thought American methods of capital punishment were over the top and macabre, whether it be electric chairs, gas chambers or being strapped to a

Execution of Clayton Lockett is horribly botched in Oklahoma | Mail Online
I said I recalled that...meaning I've read historical accounts. If I had to make a choice, I'd probably prefer firing squad, or lethal injection. Having seen my dog put down, it's not a bad way to go. The hospice workers basically drug their patients to death, just to make them comfortable. Hanging would probably be my third to last choice, before the electric chair or the gas chamber. They all seem unusually cruel to me.

This is a pretty Macabre conversation. I actually would prefer death by old age. I make it a point not to do anything that would require me to make one of the above choices.
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Old 04-30-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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I'm pro death penalty, but think it should be clean and without suffering. This is just terrible. Why not bring back the firing squad? Also, they refused to pay more for his last meal? Unbelievable.

Oklahoma Inmate Dies After Execution Is Botched - ABC News

It took almost 45 minutes for him to die, with him at one point into the execution sitting up and saying "something's wrong." The officials said it was hard to watch. He was sentenced to death 20 years ago after aiding in killing and witnessing the live burial of Stephanie Neiman.

It's Oklahoma...

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Old 04-30-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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Executions were moved from the public realm to the private realm in the 1800's in Britain (the last public hanging was 1868), so I am not sure how you recall many executions in front of audiences in Great Britain. Whilst only those involved in the execution and clergy were allowed within the prison environment.

As for hanging if correctly carried out, you could be dead within seconds and individuals such as Albert Pierrepoint were very skilled at taking weight, height and other factors in to consideration.

I have always thought American methods of capital punishment were over the top and macabre, whether it be electric chairs, gas chambers or being strapped to a gurney and pumped full of untried experimental drugs. The result being a freak show come horror show in which the individuals veins exploded and he didn't die for over 40 minutes.



It just makes it all the more laughable when Americans try to criticise other countries Human Rights records, even the Chinese with a bullet in the back of the head, execute people more humanely.
The fact of the matter is that the State shouldn't have halted it. They should have done what this guy refused to do for his victim and made sure he got more of the drug to ease his death.

If this guy had shot the victim again before his friends buried her, I might have a lot more sympathy for him. He didn't though, instead watching her be buried ALIVE.
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Old 04-30-2014, 08:12 AM
 
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It just makes it all the more laughable when Americans try to criticise other countries Human Rights records, even the Chinese with a bullet in the back of the head, execute people more humanely.


Just because sh*t happened, doesn't mean Americans want to torture these people. There are always searches for a humane way for death penalty.

"Three drugs didn't do it, now we're at one. We need to kill people softly, to kill people gently in order to have a legitimate form of execution. And we just can't figure out what that is."

But Dr Chapman thinks that the current methods are indeed humane."

BBC News - The search for a humane way to kill

Just because they didn't do it perfectly, doesn't mean they violated human rights. Sh*t happened, this is life.

Considering the method by which these people despatched their victims, it's perhaps a little too humane, you are comparing America to China now. China Admits Selling Prisoners' Organs.
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Old 04-30-2014, 08:14 AM
 
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I said I recalled that...meaning I've read historical accounts. If I had to make a choice, I'd probably prefer firing squad, or lethal injection. Having seen my dog put down, it's not a bad way to go. The hospice workers basically drug their patients to death, just to make them comfortable. Hanging would probably be my third to last choice, before the electric chair or the gas chamber. They all seem unusually cruel to me.

This is a pretty Macabre conversation. I actually would prefer death by old age. I make it a point not to do anything that would require me to make one of the above choices.
Except you don't put an animal down with a cocktail of untried drugs.

I terms of hanging it's quick and effective.
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