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A lot of Idaho's rural country are the Reservations and State Land. Plus most of Idaho's backcountry is owned by the state, where does this factor into Red State welfare? Plus, many tribal members benefit from government paid jobs, non-tribal members in Idaho are not allowed these jobs.
Your map, as for the West Coast goes seems to show plenty of $$$ going to Las Vegas area and the corner of CA and Oregon. Isn't the section darkened in Arizona, mostly Indian Reservations?
Reading the link you provided shows the map and how they colored it: What is included in government transfer payments to individuals?
Seems they LUMPED everything together.......can we done with Red States have more welfare than Blue states do. California probably has more food stamp type of welfare than, Idaho and Montana put together.
Retirement and disability insurance benefits, Medical benefits (includes Medicare benefits), Income maintenance benefit, Unemployment insurance compensation, Veterans' benefits, Education and training assistance.
Other transfer receipts of individuals from governments: Other transfer receipts of individuals from governments consist largely of Bureau of Indian Affairs payments, education exchange payments, Alaska Permanent Fund dividend payments, compensation of survivors of public safety officers, compensation of victims of crime, disaster relief payments, compensation for Japanese internment, and other special payments to individuals.
Note that government pensions and farm payment are not included in transfer payments to individuals.
Our forster daughter and her partner live in Portand. She is the first one to tell us just how poor a lot of OR really is and how many of the residents are on government assistance, both in Portland and throughout the state. So leftest out there don't be so smug. Do your homework and open your eyes.
First off, the welfare crowd are the same as the wealthy in one respect: they span the political spectrum, largely depending on location. Contrary to the "evil GOP recently hoodwinked the poor" myth, people generally don't vote according to their income level and probably never have at any point in American history. It should also be noted that most Republicans are not in favor of eliminating welfare to those they believe are truly and deeply in need, which means that under most Republicans' policy the OP's map would look largely the same, just with lighter colors, because the map for obvious reasons closely correlates with poverty.
Federal welfare dollars are a function of poverty, not political affiliation; where there are more poor people you would expect more welfare recipients. It should be noted that that metric is not a like-for-like comparison between states, and how much money their people get is out of the state government's control. What is very much in their control and dictated by political choices is the percentage of the state budget funded by the federal government. This paints a far more mixed picture.
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Originally Posted by BentBow
Everyone knows you live longer in the southern states, where life is simple.
I could strokeout, thinking about the rat race in NYC, Chicago, or LA.
jasonF"If you want to know why that area is a failure, look at the culture. Hard work is not encouraged. Learning is not encouraged. It's a race to see who can get their disability claim granted first. There has been essentially no effort at all to improve the local economy. Now people are content to hang out in their trailers popping oxycontin and hoarding guns and four wheelers."
Substitute meth for oxycontin and much of the rural Southeast is explained accurately.
I have seen this happen in California, once the white people were the hardworking part of society. I can show you many small Northern CA towns who now have way to many people claiming disabled at the age of 40-50. Knowing good and well 30 yrs ago men at age 60-70 were still working, even after retiring in those towns.
If they are not living in trailers their houses are run down and the lawn hasn't had care in 20 yrs.
I've been to Appalachia (Eastern Kentucky / West Virginia). It's way worse than an inner-city black neighborhood in a major city. Appalachia is some rough ****.
This does seem to be more of a culture than all of America. These people I would say have grown up this way, it is amazing how many white people are adopting this way of life even on the West side of the states.
Maybe, drugs and some of the music they listen to drive them to be down trodden. Even country music is low grade, most is about girls in short shorts, getting drunk and climbing up in big trucks......not too far from divorces and the dog named blue.
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True and most of those states are not heavily populated so % mean very little. I think we can all agree, the very small rural regions of states (yes, many are red) have very little opportunity for jobs, so there is a heavier dependance on welfare, but more than that, like you said it is the inner cities with the higest number of people receiving government assistance. When we people stop depending on these maps to get the whole story? Anyone who simply looks at a map or hears numbers and doesn't research closer isn't understanding the whole situation.
Are you under the impression that you're actually making a point here? Because all you're actually doing is stating the obvious fact that cities have large populations compared to rural counties, a fact no one is disputing.
The fact is, rural (largely white) people are taking 19% more money per capita from the government than people who live in metro areas.
Are you under the impression that you're actually making a point here? Because all you're actually doing is stating the obvious fact that cities have large populations compared to rural counties, a fact no one is disputing.
The fact is, rural (largely white) people are taking 19% more money per capita from the government than people who live in metro areas.
Would this be, because ranchers and farmers or as Desertdetroiter mentioned Big Ag, being thrown into handouts? You do know even NA and Latinos have ranches out west? I think possibly it is misleading to compare rural areas on the West side of the US, to the East side of the US.
Vogler, a member of the state Board of Agriculture, runs a cattle and sheep ranch in eastern Nevada. While Vogler said he has taken advantage of the subsidy program over the years, for a lot of ranchers, it isn’t worth the time to navigate the bureaucracy.
“Probably one of the biggest reasons that fewer and fewer ranchers use it is, for whatever reason, the federal USDA farm service agency people have been almost taking an adversarial position against the ranching community, don’t ask me why,” he said.
“Anytime you qualify for a program it’s a bit like pulling teeth,” Vogler said. “You are guilty until proven innocent. They fight you tooth and nail rather than try and help you. And the comment I get from many, many producers is it’s not worth the hassle.”
But living in the driest state in the nation, Vogler said the disaster relief assistance provided through the program has helped him survive through what has been the worst drought in White Pine County on record.
Subsidy recipient Henry Vogler of Ely says one reason more Nevada ranchers don’t take advantage of the program is the adversarial nature of the federal agency against the ranching community
Northern states are just as rural as southern states. A case can be made that they're even more rural.
Life is just as simple everywhere else as it is in the South.
The cost of living affords their SS and pensions to go farther. It is a simple life.
The no income tax states, gain the most with those retiring on a fixed income.
Our forster daughter and her partner live in Portand. She is the first one to tell us just how poor a lot of OR really is and how many of the residents are on government assistance, both in Portland and throughout the state. So leftest out there don't be so smug. Do your homework and open your eyes.
From people who move to Idaho from Oregon, they say between property taxes and personal taxes even rich people are leaving. Owning a house there some say is near impossible with the taxes. Plus, Portland and many other cities in Oregon have come to the demise of people who smoke pot irresponsibly and meth heads that complain life isn't fair.
DC should be nearly black on that map. No other area sucks up tax money like it.
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