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Some people will twist and contort and say whatever nonsensical thing it takes to allow them to hold fast to their belief that black people are ruining everything, even though the data clearly show that white people in rural America are right there at the trough with their fake disability claims.
As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Where did I ''twist' or 'contort' anything? What part of my post was a 'nonsensical'?
And where did I say anything at all about black people?
Ok, everyone, the above is the definition of cognitive dissonance.
You argue that they "vote against their own interests", by voting for people who don't increase welfare as much, or decrease it.
Then, you argue that there are so many on welfare because they don't vote for people who will expand welfare.
This is why liberals cannot run a country, or even a lemonade stand. They have a complete intellectual disconnect inside their heads.
No, I argued that people on welfare in red states (poor white people who hate Democrats) vote for people trying to cut their welfare. There was nothing disconnected about what I said. What was disconnected is your ability to read and comprehend such a simple post. Seriously, how on earth does one twist that?
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You may be correct, I saw a segment about them, very sad. I think the map goes to show us the welfare, unemployment, pensions and all other government handouts are NEVER going to be there enough to help one make it ahead.
I do believe pensions will be crack our whole system. One can't draw a pension when the company finally fails, leaving many unprepared.
I've been to Appalachia (Eastern Kentucky / West Virginia). It's way worse than an inner-city black neighborhood in a major city. Appalachia is some rough ****.
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Explain to us all how a county with a total population of 4600 can manage to be the 'biggest trough feeder in the country.'
Answer my questions first if you expect an answer to yours.
12-21-2014, 06:51 PM
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Your name is desertdetroiter?
Answer my questions first if you expect an answer to yours.
Actually I don't expect an answer. I expect you to say whatever irrelevant, intellectually bankrupt thing makes you feel comfortable blaming minorities in cities while absolving white people in rural America.
The fact is, per capita, those overwhelmingly (99+%) white counties are exploiting the system and feeding at the trough like the fraud-committing pigs they are.
Why do you want to dismiss that fact, or pretend it's not a fact? What other measure would you like us to consider, and why is it better than measuring per capita trough-feeding?
Per capita is the metric that makes sense. Otherwise all you've done is lie with (poor) statistics in such a way as too make urban areas always be worse than rural areas, which fits right into the right wing narrative being pushed by various posters here that the problem is just black people.
Amen, JasonF. Having lived in both red and blue regions, I was shocked at the pathetic work ethic in much of the Southeast. The urban regions were fine, but as soon as you got 40-50 miles from a major city, the drop off in work ethic was chilling, matched solely by a disdain for education.
Some people will twist and contort and say whatever nonsensical thing it takes to allow them to hold fast to their belief that black people are ruining everything, even though the data clearly show that white people in rural America are right there at the trough with their fake disability claims.
As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.
I actually grew up in Appalachia, and the reason it's doing so exceptionally poorly doesn't have anything to do with cheap lending, taxes, regulations, or imposed costs. In fact the coal industry there was basically allowed to do whatever it wanted for decades. The fallout from the Buffalo Creek disaster that killed 125 people, injured 1100, and left 4000 homeless was a paltry $1 million dollar settlement entered into by a corrupt governor on his way out the door. It wasn't even enough to cover the clean up. That same governor eventually wound up in federal prison on unrelated matters.
If you want to know why that area is a failure, look at the culture. Hard work is not encouraged. Learning is not encouraged. It's a race to see who can get their disability claim granted first. There has been essentially no effort at all to improve the local economy. Now people are content to hang out in their trailers popping oxycontin and hoarding guns and four wheelers.
Why would any business want to move into a place with an unmotivated, uneducated workforce who will file a disability claim the second they see an opportunity?
Where did I mention "Appalachia"?
I am referring to rural America in general, which generally is doing very badly.
BTW, I have always said that the difference between success and failure on the part of the individual is the choices they make. As you astutely notice, culture is a make or break important.
Not sure it's exclusive to either red or blue states - I'm in a blue state (California) and we have hundreds of thousands of people here on welfare. I'm on UI benefits myself.
UI is funded by the FUTA tax, which is paid for by employers, and which most financial analysts will tell you effectively comes out of workers pockets. So in other words it is an insurance program that you paid for. Granted that it is a program that is often abused, but it's hard to separate use from abuse.
But this shows how far off base OP's map is, along with all the lefty posters who jumped on the bandwagon. Medicare, Social Security, and UI are not quite welfare; they are entitlements that we are required to pay into, and it would be dumb for people not to take benefits when they are entitled. I suppose the moral of the story could be that Democrats get mad when people are not dumb.
No, I argued that people on welfare in red states (poor white people who hate Democrats) vote for people trying to cut their welfare. There was nothing disconnected about what I said. What was disconnected is your ability to read and comprehend such a simple post. Seriously, how on earth does one twist that?
Because your post question "enlightenment" is false. You got caught making a very stupid statement, and now you're trying to retroactively adjust your argument.
The premise of this thread is (read the title again).
The premise that "more welfare" is going to somehow improve things is absurd. The best interests of those who are in poverty does NOT lie in more welfare, it lies in more opportunity and learning how to take advantage of it.
Because red-states have more poor people and they vote against their own interests. They vote for the same crooks trying to cut their welfare. Red state leaders are con men.
Poor red state residents are poor because issues closest to their hearts are to ban abortion, be against homosexuals and protect the right to have a gun. Republicans cater to these interests, do little about them, and then they turn around and serve the best interests of rich people, such as sponsoring tax cuts that most benefit them.
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