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Old 06-28-2015, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
The mortgage deduction is NOT a refundable tax credit. /SMH

Exactly how financially illiterate ARE many of you?
I'd bet 1/2 the folks discussing this don't know the difference between an exemption and a deduction...

 
Old 06-28-2015, 10:10 AM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
The point is that not even the socialist utopian countries can save people from the consequences of the bad life and financial decisions they make and actions they take.
The flaw in your logic is this, The typical black household now has just 6% of the wealth of the typical white household; the typical Latino household has just 8%, according to a recent study called*The Racial Wealth Gap: Why Policy Matters, by Demos, a public policy organization promoting democracy and equality, and the Institute on Assets and Social Policy.

In absolute terms, the median white household had $111,146 in wealth holdings in 2011, compared to $7,113 for the median black household and $8,348 for the median Latino household. (All figures come from the U.S. Census Bureau Survey of Income and Program Participation.)

Wow alot of people making bad individual choices. Id say whole races of people.
 
Old 06-28-2015, 10:16 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Mighty_Pelican View Post
Bailouts. Privatization of profits
Nope. 100 million or more Americans have $24 Trillion invested for their retirement:

Retirement Question 4 | EBRI

THAT'S who gets the benefit of profits and valuation increases.

Just an example:
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"CalPERS is one of the largest institutional investors in both the U.S. and international stock markets."
https://web.archive.org/web/20150327...ities/home.xml

CalPERS: California Public Employee Retirement System
 
Old 06-28-2015, 10:18 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Allowing favored classes of taxpayers to keep their own money is redistribution.
No, redistribution is when one party's money is confiscated (taken from them via taxes, etc.) to distribute to someone else.
 
Old 06-28-2015, 10:23 AM
 
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They won't. So stop paying for them. Otherwise, stop complaining.

All you have to do is limit your income to the bare minimum you need to survive. The less you make, the less they take.
Yep. That's why I retired early.
 
Old 06-28-2015, 10:26 AM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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No, redistribution is when one party's money is confiscated (taken from them via taxes, etc.) to distribute to someone else.
I sware when i hear this i don't know to laugh or get sick. Obviously there had to be some form of wealth redistrabution before that has made the 1% and the .01% so rich? Don't you think?
 
Old 06-28-2015, 10:32 AM
 
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I'd bet 1/2 the folks discussing this don't know the difference between an exemption and a deduction...
they also have this false notion that the money you earn is the governments money. As if a deduction is allowing you to keep government money.
 
Old 06-28-2015, 10:37 AM
 
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Glad that you brought up 401K plans. Those plans are used mainly by the middle class to put money away for retirement. They are an excellent example of how the rich have tilted the scale toward themselves
If you really feel that way, let's completely abolish public employees' pensions (public employees are the largest group of employees in the US). They're VERY dependent on capital gains, corporate profits, etc., to be able to pay out defined benefit pensions. Are you good with that?
 
Old 06-28-2015, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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they also have this false notion that the money you earn is the governments money. As if a deduction is allowing you to keep government money.
LOL.. The same ones who say their getting a tax refund FROM the government. I just want to scream... NO... Your getting the money that was yours in the first place!
 
Old 06-28-2015, 10:40 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Who are these people that pay "little or no taxes?"
Problem with your graphic in reference to the elderly who pay no federal income tax. Since when is 9.7% 2/3 of 43%?

Your source has completely botched the data.
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