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Originally Posted by ChrisC View Post
They won't. So stop paying for them. Otherwise, stop complaining.
All you have to do is limit your income to the bare minimum you need to survive. The less you make, the less they take.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Yep. That's why I retired early.
Exactly. Mortgage and taxes are the highest expenses during our working years. Pay off the mortgage so you (in general) need less income, reduce other expenses, retire or semi-retire reduces your other biggest expense... taxes.
LOL.. The same ones who say their getting a tax refund FROM the government. I just want to scream... NO... Your getting the money that was yours in the first place!
LOL yep. Then they use money to go on vacation or buy some other gadget as if money dropped out of the sky.
I was just talking to a friend (middle class) who is depressed because he owes the IRS. He always had enough taken out where he either owed very little or got a check for very little. He made extra income last year, knowing he should put money aside for taxes but he really needed the money, his furnace broke and auto repairs, now he owes money to the IRS and had to be put on a payment plan... the government needs the money more to pay for EBT cards and government waste.
The middle class is caught in a trap. The more you make, the more the government takes.
The same way they did for decades before corporate dominance.
Which would be... how? Take ever more from taxpayers, including property tax, etc., which EVERYONE (including renters) pays? Are you good with that? Are you willing to spike your and everyone else's rent and/or property taxes sky high to fund public employee defined benefit pensions?
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Originally Posted by petch751
LOL yep. Then they use money to go on vacation or buy some other gadget as if money dropped out of the sky.
I was just talking to a friend (middle class) who is depressed because he owes the IRS. He always had enough taken out where he either owed very little or got a check for very little. He made extra income last year, knowing he should put money aside for taxes but he really needed the money, his furnace broke and auto repairs, now he owes money to the IRS and had to be put on a payment plan... the government needs the money more to pay for EBT cards and government waste.
The middle class is caught in a trap. The more you make, the more the government takes.
Tell me about it! We're currently caught in a double trap. Hubbies income while paid in US Dollars is being earned in a foreign country. Flat high % tax for non-citizens. Add to that me here in the states.... BAM!
The flaw in your logic is this, The typical black household now has just 6% of the wealth of the typical white household; the typical Latino household has just 8%, according to a recent study called*The Racial Wealth Gap: Why Policy Matters, by Demos, a public policy organization promoting democracy and equality, and the Institute on Assets and Social Policy.
In absolute terms, the median white household had $111,146 in wealth holdings in 2011, compared to $7,113 for the median black household and $8,348 for the median Latino household. (All figures come from the U.S. Census Bureau Survey of Income and Program Participation.)
Wow alot of people making bad individual choices. Id say whole races of people.
Look at education levels by race/ethnicity. Look at crime levels by race/ethnicity. Bad decisions? I would certainly say so.
I sware when i hear this i don't know to laugh or get sick. Obviously there had to be some form of wealth redistrabution before that has made the 1% and the .01% so rich? Don't you think?
Is there some kind of tax on only the poor that's then given to the rich that I've somehow missed? Please... show us the tax of which you speak.
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Is there some kind of tax on only the poor that's then given to the rich that I've somehow missed? Please... show us the tax of which you speak.
SSShhhh... five...four...three..two...one...
I'm waiting now to be regaled with stories how certain folks have to pay rent forced by the government to line the pockets of the rich... (As if non of us have things like rent to cover either!)
LOL yep. Then they use money to go on vacation or buy some other gadget as if money dropped out of the sky.
I was just talking to a friend (middle class) who is depressed because he owes the IRS. He always had enough taken out where he either owed very little or got a check for very little. He made extra income last year, knowing he should put money aside for taxes but he really needed the money, his furnace broke and auto repairs, now he owes money to the IRS and had to be put on a payment plan... the government needs the money more to pay for EBT cards and government waste.
The middle class is caught in a trap. The more you make, the more the government takes.
I reiterate! Replace Income Tax and IRS with Consumption tax and simple Agency to collect same from merchants/sellers.
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