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Their employees would not have known if they had applied for permits. And even if they did, getting permits to repair plumbing would not make them think that the store was closing since Walmart often keep stores open throughout complete remodels and expansions.
actually that depends....most of the ''remodel'' or expansions have been MINOR work
if the work is going to require tearing up much of the concrete slab, they would HAVE to close (safety first)....
there is a big difference from doing a re-flooring job (ie tearing up tile and polishing a concrete) to a DEMOLUTION of the entire concrete slab because of waste water pipes being broken, cracked or not to code
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What makes you think that this is a "conspiracy theory"?
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Beneath the floors and within the walls at floor level would be more likely. Standing water always seeks the lowest level.
FWIW, I nixed a condo sale deal because of mold found around the building's mandated fire sprinkler system. Building management fixed the problem. The deal then went through.
I saw this in the news. It is very strange. All of the Walmart's are closing due to "plumbing problems" for 6 months. That's a long time. They are all closing on the same day as well. It doesn't make sense. The Walmart's are in TX and FL if I'm not mistaken.
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You have to admit that it's odd that they are closing down 6 stores, all on the exact same day, with little notice given to their employees all for the exact same reason, plumbing issues. I bet Walmart could build a new store in less then 6 months time. It's weird.
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My point regarding construction time is that if you can build a brand new Walmart in 6 months then you can surely upgrade all of the plumbing in less time.
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Leave it to a progressive leftist not to notice details.
The stores are closing all for the same durations, 6-mos. People are being given 5 hours of notice to leave, when at least several weeks could have been given for problems of a nature that could accommodate known (re)construction pre-planning issues.
Moreover in a time frame coinciding with that also blocked out for a controversial, and domestic standing army exercise, Jade Helm, scheduled for 9 weeks in late summer and early fall of this year that has 2 states in their respective border entireties, Texas and Utah (and the notoriously conservative bottom segment of CA), labeled as "hostile" in a training manual leaked a few weeks ago. And described to reporting media by a participant as a "psy-op." (But commentary on that can wait for another thread started and closed for comment within hours.)
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The public work's director on one of the cities is asking a good question here.
No it does not support your assertion. They would pull the permits and do everything they could do ahead of time prior to the closure. They also would not have a fully stocked store up until the day they closed. They'd sell off the merchandise and then close.
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It is odd. My local Sams Club just underwent a multi-month renovation with departments, restrooms, freezers, and coolers being moved around and added - and the store didn't close.
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Yep. Our Walmart did the same. It was a total remodel and expansion and they didn't close.
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I get out plenty. This closure is odd.
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Whatever. I find it odd and so does the public works director who deals with permitting everyday.
Despite these logical responses:
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Actually, it's not odd. The home office makes such decisions, and when maintenance issues become so severe that a store has to be closed, then management probably got together and made the evaluations on which stores to close all at the same time. As for notice, since they are paying the employees for two months even though the stores will be closed, notice is not necessary.
And your bet about building a new store would be wrong. Wal-Mart has to obtain the land, then the permits, and in most places there are a host of public hearings and objections, even lawsuits. So it can take years, even, for Wal-Mart to build a store.
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YOU CAN'T pull permits, until you've actually found the problem, and determined how you want to resolve the problem. Permits are permissions to do certain things. At this point, Wal-Mart knows that their bathrooms have standing water on the floor, and they've been having to have staff mop the floors hourly. They don't know if they are going to have to change the grade for the pipes, or if the pipes have simply eroded, or if there was vandalism that damaged the pipes deep below the building. They don't know if they are going to have to re-locate the bathrooms. They don't know if the mold they are seeing at the bottom of the freezers is pervasive.
As for the merchandise...Wal-Mart has one of the best logistics systems in the world. They don't sell off merchandise and then close. They aren't closing permanently. They move that product to other stores, they donate some of it, they sell some of it to discount outfits, they warehouse it. This isn't Isaac's Dry Goods. This is the largest retailer in the world.
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dont be silly. walmart has well over 10,000 store and a couple that have major plumbing issues? You dont get out much. do you?
A question that supports my assertion. It takes time to get permits for extensive repairs. And likely, some of those repairs haven't even been determined, because with the store open it's impossible to shut off the water and get into the walls.
You don't have to give notice to employees that are going to continue to be paid.
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It's actually about 11-13 months depending on how much site work needs to be done.
I'm not an expert, just basing on casual observation of the two new super centers currently going up within 20 miles of me.
One they started clearing the wooded land in October. They expect to open this December. The other they demolished an existing strip mall in January. Expect December open.
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And they didn't say that each store would be closed for 6 months. They said the repairs could take up to 6 months. One would also think that while plumbing issues may be driving the need for repairs, that Wal-Mart would take the opportunity to do other upgrades.
And what does actual construction time have to do with repairing existing stores?
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Less than 1/10th of 1 percent of their stores. I hardly think this makes a blip on the radar of stockholders. And they wouldn't close if the maintenance issues weren't serious.
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I can see you've never actually been involved in these types of things.
One, you have to obtain permits. This is not calling in a plumber to repair an overflowing toilet. The kind of plumbing issues that require a store to close involves tearing down walls, and quite often, re-routing/replacing pipes. Excavation. Contractors. Inspections. The kind of thing that takes months. And since they aren't permanently closing the stores, they have to transfer existing product to other stores, or put that product into storage. They have to move displays. I would suspect that some of the plumbing/water issues have to deal with the extensive refrigeration and freezing requirements they have, so those fixtures have to be moved/stored. And since water is involved, there might also be mold issues and water damage issues. Then there will be cosmetic fixes, and Wal-Mart is committed to making its stores greener and more energy-efficient. Re-stocking the store often can take a month alone.
Man some people have their heads so far stuck in the sand, they can't even admit this is weird.
Were it 5 Wally Worlds closing, but this one had this issue, that one had that issue, etc, it wouldn't be odd. The fact that 5 of them are closing, for the exact same amount of time, for the exact same reasons, and did it at the exact same time is odd.
Does it mean there's something nefarious going on? It doesn't have to mean that, but you cannot deny that it's strange, ESPECIALLY when they give FIVE HOURS notice, toss everyone out the door after they stocked up the shelves, and gave them two months' pay.
You not seeing that as odd doesn't prove it's not odd, it just proves you don't think.
Man some people have their heads so far stuck in the sand, they can't even admit this is weird.
Were it 5 Wally Worlds closing, but this one had this issue, that one had that issue, etc, it wouldn't be odd. The fact that 5 of them are closing, for the exact same amount of time, for the exact same reasons, and did it at the exact same time is odd.
Does it mean there's something nefarious going on? It doesn't have to mean that, but you cannot deny that it's strange, ESPECIALLY when they give FIVE HOURS notice, toss everyone out the door after they stocked up the shelves, and gave them two months' pay.
You not seeing that as odd doesn't prove it's not odd, it just proves you don't think.
Classic conspiracy thinking. Elvis Lives! John Kennedy Lives! We didn't land on the moon! Obama was born in Kenya!
The ones at Pico Rivera were Union organized protests.
They are all union-organized protests. The unions have been trying to unionize Wal-Mart for decades. Most of the anti-Wal-Mart websites were created by unions. Most of the anti-Wal-Mart studies were funded by unions. Most of the anti-Wal-Mart news stories were fed to the media by unions.
And still the employees have voted over and over not to unionize.
Classic conspiracy thinking. Elvis Lives! John Kennedy Lives! We didn't land on the moon! Obama was born in Kenya!
Nobody here, or the media they cite, is claiming Elvis or JFK is alive, or that the moon landing was faked, or that Obama was born in Kenya. Except for perhaps your own comment.
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