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Old 11-19-2015, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Couldn`t fine one?

I could have told you that.


As for that life expectancy, Americans drive more than Europeans leading to the untimely deaths of America`s very young.

That is why the French, and pretty much anyone else living in Europe, have a longer life expectancy.
I gave you 2 sources but I'm not going to spoon feed you information.

You believe traffic fatalities attribute to the difference in life expectancy but give no sources. Actually, only about 1.7% of deaths in the USA are attributable to traffic fatalities. Obesity is the reason for less longevity in the USA.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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Blaming liberals for high deductibles misses the mark.
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Not buying that one...I totally blame liberals. So do most American voters, just witness the massive switch to the GOP during Obama's time in office.
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Old 11-19-2015, 03:06 PM
 
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Not buying that one...I totally blame liberals. So do most American voters, just witness the massive switch to the GOP during Obama's time in office.
I really don't think people started voting Republican due to insurance deductibles. What evidence do you have that Republicans have ever tried to reign in healthcare costs at all?
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Old 11-19-2015, 03:14 PM
 
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We should do what Switzerland has done and mandate that 1) everyone carry insurance and 2) (this is the really good part) that all insurance companies be NON PROFIT.
Under the wonderful Affordable Healthcare Plan, everyone is already supposed to carry insurance.
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Old 11-19-2015, 03:15 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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I really don't think people started voting Republican due to insurance deductibles. What evidence do you have that Republicans have ever tried to reign in healthcare costs at all?
I don't think it does either. I also don't think the Obama care is the winner that Obama and Hillary want us all to believe. It did force people to buy a product that they can't afford to use. Remind me again, who was this law intended to help? Seems to me the winner and the only winner was the Insurance companies. Imagine if you make widgets and a law is passed that forces everyone to buy your widget. That is a great deal for the widget maker, the widget seller, nut so much for anyone else.
The ACA didn't make medical care affordable.
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Old 11-19-2015, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Under the wonderful Affordable Healthcare Plan, everyone is already supposed to carry insurance.
You missed the most important part of my post - and that is that Switzerland requires that ALL insurance companies be NON PROFIT.

This greatly reduces the cost of insurance.
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Old 11-19-2015, 03:21 PM
 
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You missed the most important part of my post - and that is that Switzerland requires that ALL insurance companies be NON PROFIT.

This greatly reduces the cost of insurance.
Too mch government for me.

Also, BO's plan already mandates everyone have health insurance. How is that working out? Will the mandate that all companies be non--profit work as well?
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Old 11-19-2015, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Too mch government for me.

Also, BO's plan already mandates everyone have health insurance. How is that working out? Will the mandate that all companies be non--profit work as well?
I don't know.

It's the middle man (for profit insurance) that is largely responsible for running up the cost of health care.
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Old 11-19-2015, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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This greatly reduces the cost of insurance.
The cost of insurance has no bearing on the cost of medical care, but the high costs of medical care drive up the price of insurance.

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I don't know.

It's the middle man (for profit insurance) that is largely responsible for running up the cost of health care.
So, you're claiming that insurance companies forced a hospital to charge $55,000 for an appendectomy that really only costs $2,800?

The same hospital negotiated a settlement with the insurance company for $11,000....for a $2,800 appendectomy.

Lower the cost of medical care, and you lower the cost of health insurance.
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Old 11-19-2015, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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The cost of insurance has no bearing on the cost of medical care, but the high costs of medical care drive up the price of insurance.
Insurance is the middle man. Every time you add the cost of a middle man (remember, most insurance companies are for profit), the cost to the consumer rises. That's basic economics. So insurance, medical costs, whatever label you want to slap on it - the costs go up to the consumer.

Also, when we don't see the bills, or can't decipher the bills, we often don't know what the medical costs "really" are. For instance, you can't tell me that the cost of a Tylenol is really $6. So why does it say "Tylenol - $6" on a nearly undecipherable medical bill? Insurance doesn't really pay that - and most people don't really pay it, but if you're one of the "lucky" ones who actually does pay one's own medical bills, then guess what - you pay that. Why? I think a lot of charges - to and from insurance companies, and from medical providers, are charged "because we can." To me it sort of feels like, "Send them this bill and see if they will pay it. We've got a 25 percent chance they will, so jack the price up to cover all the folks who won't pay!" The thing is - the pill should never cost $6 to begin with.

It's a big shell game and it really ticks me off.
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