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Old 08-28-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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She wants to eliminate private health insurance, and reduce prescription drug prices by negotiating bulk purchases.

Jill Stein on 11 key issues: Where does Green Party presidential candidate stand? | syracuse.com

On Obama.

The Obameter: Allow Medicare to negotiate for cheaper drug prices | PolitiFact


From the PolitiFact article that you linked:

"The Obama administration only has so much control over that, but I doubt Congress is going to pass it," said Lee Goldberg, vice president of health policy for the non partisan National Academy of Social Insurance.

Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., has introduced a bill that would repeal the ban on negotiations, but it is stalled in the Senate Finance Committee.

The Republicans, which control the Senate Finance Committee, continue to block any price negotiation legislation.

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They had the votes to make this happen in 2009-10. Instead they passed a massive give away to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries and it's an epic failure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...9a6_story.html
The above article does NOT state "They had the votes to make this happen in 2009-10."

The Affordable Care Act has massive problems, and one of the biggest is out-of-control drug prices compounded by high deductibles on available plans.

Yet for many Americans, Obamacare was a savior, especially those with pre-existing conditions and the working poor. Despite all of their attacks on Obamacare, the Republicans have never fulfilled their promise to produce a superior solution to replace it. Why not?
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:41 PM
 
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Because you need to delete it before you replace it.

Didn't Obamacare replace something before anyone other than a select few ever read it?

Were the American people included in the review of Obamacare? Did YOU know what was in it before you supported it?

Not a chance. You supported it because it had the name Obama on it.
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:46 PM
 
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Oh, no's - a scummy person is the daughter of another person I don't like who contributed money to a political candidate I don't like! Clearly, that means Hillary is bad for America and we all need to vote for Trump! Did I follow that insane line of reasoning correctly?

I'm surprised Trump and his clown supporters have time to worry about stuff like this when they are so busy retweeting white supremacist propaganda and preparing faith-based tests for US citizens.

Just more typical lunacy from the far-right; worry about things that don't matter (religion, sexual orientation, skin color, who may be related to somebody who may be dishonest), while ignoring things that actually matter, such as the idiocy of supporting an insane, bigoted, narcissistic lunatic presidential candidate who wants to get cozy with Russia, abandon NATO, and impose religious tests on US citizens. Get real, guys.
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:52 PM
 
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Because you need to delete it before you replace it.

Didn't Obamacare replace something before anyone other than a select few ever read it?

Were the American people included in the review of Obamacare? Did YOU know what was in it before you supported it?

Not a chance. You supported it because it had the name Obama on it.
?????

The Affordable Care Act filled a void in the American insurance system.

It was flawed largely because the Republicans blocked any effort to produce a workable system.

The Republicans still haven't offered an alternative healthcare system to replace Obamacare despite their promises to do so.

The Republican refusal to allow negotiated drug prices have cost Americans and the American economy hundreds of billions of dollars versus our economic competitors, greatly contributing to the monstrous healthcare burden in the U.S. versus other nations and our falling economic competitiveness.

Where is ANY Republican solution to the healthcare mess??? There will be no workable solution without negotiated drug prices.
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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From the PolitiFact article that you linked:

"The Obama administration only has so much control over that, but I doubt Congress is going to pass it," said Lee Goldberg, vice president of health policy for the non partisan National Academy of Social Insurance.

Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., has introduced a bill that would repeal the ban on negotiations, but it is stalled in the Senate Finance Committee.

The Republicans, which control the Senate Finance Committee, continue to block any price negotiation legislation.
They had enough votes in 2009-2010. Excuse makers will make excuse. Not only did they not, Obamacare did the exact opposite. It's one thing to do nothing, it's another to do more harm.

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The above article does NOT state "They had the votes to make this happen in 2009-10."
The (D)'s had the votes. If you are saying the votes weren't there you are saying (D)'s did not support this idea.

It wasn't included because the pharmaceutical companies were writing the legislation.

Obamacare or Corporate-care: The Writing of the Affordable Care Act – Revolutionary Workers Group

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The Affordable Care Act has massive problems, and one of the biggest is out-of-control drug prices compounded by high deductibles on available plans.

Yet for many Americans, Obamacare was a savior, especially those with pre-existing conditions and the working poor. Despite all of their attacks on Obamacare, the Republicans have never fulfilled their promise to produce a superior solution to replace it. Why not?
The working poor can NOT afford the high deductibles you yourself note.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/us...t-useless.html
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:55 PM
 
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Because you need to delete it before you replace it.

Didn't Obamacare replace something before anyone other than a select few ever read it?

Were the American people included in the review of Obamacare? Did YOU know what was in it before you supported it?

Not a chance. You supported it because it had the name Obama on it.
No, you do not have to delete anything before replacing it.
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Old 08-28-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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No, you do not have to delete anything before replacing it.
Maybe you don't understand what replace means.

It means getting rid of one thing and puting something else in its place.

It is nit possible to replace something unless the thing being replaced is removed or deleted. Anything else is an addition, modification or partial subtraction.

You really want to argue that point? You'll lose any way you twist it.

Better go learn what replace means.
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Old 08-28-2016, 01:09 PM
 
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Maybe you don't understand what replace means.

It means getting rid of one thing and puting something else in its place.

It is nit possible to replace something unless the thing being replaced is removed or deleted. Anything else is an addition, modification or partial subtraction.

You really want to argue that point? You'll lose any way you twist it.

Better go learn what replace means.
You said......"before". No you do not have to delete anything before presenting and passing something else.

I completely understand how things work.
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Old 08-28-2016, 01:16 PM
 
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They had enough votes in 2009-2010. Excuse makers will make excuse. Not only did they not, Obamacare did the exact opposite. It's one thing to do nothing, it's another to do more harm.
They didn't have the votes because Scott Brown unexpectedly won the MA special election to replace Ted Kennedy.

Forbes Welcome

You ignore constantly the political difficulties caused by the Republican efforts to block any meaningful, workable healthcare solution. Partisanship in Congress is debilitating on this and many other issues.

The Affordable Care Act increased pharma profits initially by greatly increasing coverage for Americans in need of service.

What nobody anticipated was the rampant greed that has been displayed by the pharma industry in the last few years, even jacking up generic drug prices by monstrous percentages.

The problem is well known, but the Republicans controlling Congress have done nothing, even bottling up in committee bills introduced by Democrats to require negotiated drug prices. Do you deny this? Why are you defending the Republicans?

If the Democrats take control of Congress, even just the Senate, expect legislation to force the Republicans' hand on this issue. The issue now, due to pharma greed and the rising healthcare burden on the average American, is potentially a major political issue. Let's see how it plays out in this election cycle. Congress is the key, and negotiated drug prices will never take place as long as the Republicans control Congress, regardless if Clinton, Trump, or Stein is the President. That's my key point. Do you disagree???
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Old 08-28-2016, 01:20 PM
 
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They didn't have the votes because Scott Brown unexpectedly won the MA special election to replace Ted Kennedy.

Forbes Welcome
You'll excuse anything. Scott Brown did NOT stop them from doing anything before that election or getting the 60 votes to pass the pharmaceutical give aways in Obamacare. We do not have good health care because of people like yourself.

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You ignore constantly the political difficulties caused by the Republican efforts to block any meaningful, workable healthcare solution. Partisanship in Congress is debilitating on this and many other issues.

The Affordable Care Act increased pharma profits initially by greatly increasing coverage for Americans in need of service.

What nobody anticipated was the rampant greed that has been displayed by the pharma industry in the last few years, even jacking up generic drug prices by monstrous percentages.

The problem is well known, but the Republicans controlling Congress have done nothing, even bottling up in committee bills introduced by Democrats to require negotiated drug prices. Do you deny this? Why are you defending the Republicans?
I do NOT give a **** about the Republicans'. I am NOT here to defend them and their ineptitude.
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