How Many Of You Voluntarily Pay More In Taxes Than Legally Required? (weapon, conspiracy)

[wall st kid]

Originally Posted by greywar

I also have foregone charity writeoffs. Didn't bother writing off a 7K business loss one year. I have however claimed some decent deductions in some years as well. I've probably paid a few thousand more then required in my lifetime. And about average for my incomes throughout.

I COULD spend a ton of time figuring out how to write everything off (And I really could), I just feel thats unpatriotic, and well...kinda...bad.

Its got nothing to do with patriotic, it has to do with giving them 'enough' so they leave you alone. If you try and squeeze them for every penny, they might hassle you, but if you let them have a few extra bucks, like hush money, you'll be able to sleep better at night knowing that if it ever comes down to an audit, you can say 'see, i could have taken this deduction but didn't, that means i'm honest'. Its wiggle room incase they come after you, it has zero to do with patriotism.

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

I dont take charitable deductions. Its a philosophical thing. If you do it for the tax write off, then it isnt really charity.


As for your overall argument, this isnt some Democratic trick. Trump himself argued that the rich dont pay enough in taxes(or did we all just forget about the primaries ????)

Legality isnt the issue, it is whether or not he rich are paying their fair share, Trump himself said they arent.

Even if you are one of these people who subscribe to this whole idea that "the rich aren't paying their fair share", you don't blame the rich for that, you blame the tax codes that allow them to pay so little. It's not Trump's fault that the codes are written in such a way as to allow him, a millionaire, to legally not pay federal taxes for 18 years.

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

When I say charity, i mostly mean Habitat for Humanity, where I actually help build the house, and then help furnish it, so im 100% sure it helps.

Also want to point out that this thread isnt about what you believe makes a difference. The OP asked if you maxed out the possibility of paying less in taxes. You seemed to not be able to address that after the first 2 respondents didnt answer as you thought they would.

Oh I know you gladly pay taxes. Statism is the world's most fervent religion. Mainstream leftists fill the collection plate with glee. Mainstream righties prefer masking their money transfers in the bogus "private sector".

The charity thing is intertwined in the mindset. Anyone who doesn't believe in keeping what you earned and only associating (as much as possible) with those that think likewise is devaluing not only the money in their own pocket...but all of our pockets.

And since we're all using the little green promissory notes at gunpoint that really cripples folks who prefer not to be robbed or voluntarily associate with mobsters.

[gmagoo]

Defending crooked Donald becomes harder every day does it not?

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Your numbers are off. The top 1% earns 19.04% of the income, but pays 37.8% of the federal income tax revenue.

Table 1, here:

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2015 Update

I was likely looking at wealth instead of income.


However,that means the tax burden distribution is even worse.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

Oh I know you gladly pay taxes. Statism is the world's most fervent religion. Mainstream leftists fill the collection plate with glee. Mainstream righties prefer masking their money transfers in the bogus "private sector".

The charity thing is intertwined in the mindset. Anyone who doesn't believe in keeping what you earned and only associating (as much as possible) with those that think likewise is devaluing not only the money in their own pocket...but all of our pockets.

And since we're all using the little green promissory notes at gunpoint that really cripples folks who prefer not to be robbed or voluntarily associate with mobsters.

Neither my post or the OPs is about gladly paying anything, but whether or not we purposefully go out of our way to pay the most/least. Again, not once in either of your post have you responded to the premise of the thread, and have instead chose to attack those who have responded.

As for paying taxes in and of itself(and statism), By your definition this country was founded on that.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

I was likely looking at wealth instead of income.

However,that means the tax burden distribution is even worse.

The top 5% is WAY overpaying their fair share. Let's make their share of the federal income tax equal their share of the income. That's fair.

[NYJoe]

Here's another way I see it.

Since the FBI declined to charge Hillary with a crime, some people scream 'right wing conspiracy' as to the email situation, since no illegal activity(again, per the FBI), took place.

These same people are attacking Trumps tax history, despite the lack of any charges of illegal activity by the IRS.

So, I guess we need to go along with the FBI, but totally ignore the IRS?

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by gmagoo

Defending crooked Donald becomes harder every day does it not?

Not on this ridiculous charge, no, which I noticed you didn't bother responding to specifically and instead posted a witty little generalized quip, which I will assume means that you can't refute my logic.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

Even if you are one of these people who subscribe to this whole idea that "the rich aren't paying their fair share", you don't blame the rich for that, you blame the tax codes that allow them to pay so little. It's not Trump's fault that the codes are written in such a way as to allow him, a millionaire, to legally not pay federal taxes for 18 years.

Never claimed otherwise. But again, no one is arguing legality.