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Dr. Carson is right, you shouldn't give people Mercedes, it's not good for them if it's given to them. Otherwise, where is the incentive to work for something and be a contributing member of society.
Trump team is still making A's.
so make the people who live there- help clean up the place - paint, send them to be plumbers and electricians- teach them to cut trees, and so forth- part of the free-> education with duties
Again, you all do not know anything about HUD rules/regulations or the "reasonable accommodation" laws that are a part of HUD and Fair Housing.
They have a right to "Reasonable Accommodations." This is an actual law and is included in the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act).
They know they have those rights and they will sue over them. I worked in housing for many years. There are lots of ways to bend "Reasonable Accommodation" and there are many ways for those residents to claim they are being discriminated against based on veteran status, disability (including addiction), age, family status (single parents/grandparents), etc.
Ben Carson needs to do some studying up on the laws instead of walking around places for photo ops and talking about "compassion."
"Reasonable Accommodation" doesn't include Luxury Housing.
May be he should have said we have to provide them just enough so they are comfortable in their misery and never go anywhere. That's what you wanna hear.
The point is that we do sometimes go too far in what we provide for public housing. Where I used to live (a small somewhat rural town in Massachusetts), they spent $350,000 per apartment to redo a complex for the entitlement crowd and about $300,000 per apartment to redo another complex. They literally created housing far above what the working poor in that community could afford. What they did was a slap in the face to those who struggle to support themselves and live within their means.
The point is that we do sometimes go too far in what we provide for public housing. Where I used to live (a small somewhat rural town in Massachusetts), they spent $350,000 per apartment to redo a complex for the entitlement crowd and about $300,000 per apartment to redo another complex. They literally created housing far above what the working poor in that community could afford. What they did was a slap in the face to those who struggle to support themselves and live within their means.
It was certainly a Major Boondoggle for whoever owned that complex. It's always about MONEY and that's the problem. They owners didn't pay that $300,000 per apartment - the American Taxpayers paid for it, including the "working poor".
I do think affordable housing should be comfortable so although I disagree with word comfortable being used but I agree with the sentiment. Don't make things so good that "would make somebody want to say: ‘I’ll just stay here. They will take care of me.’”
This is what Ben Carson was getting at.
Some people live off Ramen Noodles each night to get by. They know it is temporary until they get more money to eat what they desire for the evening.
Affordable housing is a starter pack. It builds a foundation to where a person can continue to grow on their own.
Knock it off. Nobody is going to win anything in a court case if they don't get 50 inch flat screens, top tier internet service, a large deck and a pool. That's just nonsense. If they want those things they have to work hard and pay for them like the rest of us do.
They will go to court over internet service and cable. I've been involved in cases where residents have done so.
They especially will go to court if they get put into bunk bed....lol
Again, you all have no experience with people who live in these housing communities. They will, indeed sue.
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"Reasonable Accommodation" doesn't include Luxury Housing.
Your link from a biased news source is not about public housing - it is about the housing choice voucher program HCVP (formerly Section 8). Vouchers are not the same thing as veteran's housing communities or elderly/disabled public housing.
Vouchers can be used at whatever location they are accepted at. And FWIW, many residents have indeed sued to due not being able to live in these types of housing arrangements.
Residents sue over everything. That is why Carson needs to educate himself on the industry before he takes any drastic moves. He and Trump don't have any experience in this field. I think many of you and they themselves just don't understand that government is not the same as business. Trump recently said it was "harder than he though." I agree with him and told people that all the time. It is also funny to me that so many Americans think government workers have "cushy jobs" when those jobs are very hard and are governed by a lot of regulations and threats of imprisonment based on not following regulations.
In housing, you always give your residents the accommodations that they ask for unless you are open to being sued and run through the wringer in the press and probably fired and investigated by some agency.
Please note my comments on this thread are not saying that I don't think that reforms in housing are needed. My main point is that Carson toured a veterans housing location and spoke of them being "too comfortable." Why would you not want our veterans to be comfortable? IMO that's a pretty stupid thing to say and I know from experience that going forward, any changes made to make any residents less uncomfortable will have legal action taken. The place I worked got sued at least 100 times a year by residents. It happens ALL THE TIME! And it just a part of the job in most cases. We did all we could to not go to court as it is a waste of money. Only one case did we let go to court and that one was so ridiculous that we had to fight it. That was in 2010. I was called by a former co-worker in 2014 that we finally won that case lol.
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