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Old 07-02-2017, 07:56 AM
 
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How many here would want to live in those "comfortable" housings whom they advocate other people do?
Well given that young Ben Carson did live in poverty and got out of the cycle, he if anyone should know
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Old 07-02-2017, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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This is like the thread I created a few weeks ago, where I stated that conservatives think people need to be in squalor to have any "motivation" to work. And the responses here are bearing that out.....
To think otherwise is to deny human nature. This does not automatically mean that Conservatives feel that truly deserving people needing help shouldn't get it, just the people who have the ability and the opportunity to pull themselves out of a bad situation and don't take advantage of it.

The conservatives want to create more jobs for the people that want them, instead of taking handouts. Liberals consider themselves successful by keeping them in need of handouts. It's their way of buying votes. This is the liberal understanding of human nature, and how it can benefit them(the liberals).
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Old 07-02-2017, 08:30 AM
 
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Well given that young Ben Carson did live in poverty and got out of the cycle, he if anyone should know

I'd like to know how he paid for med school. I couldn't even afford law school.
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Old 07-02-2017, 08:32 AM
 
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To think otherwise is to deny human nature. This does not automatically mean that Conservatives feel that truly deserving people needing help shouldn't get it, just the people who have the ability and the opportunity to pull themselves out of a bad situation and don't take advantage of it.

The conservatives want to create more jobs for the people that want them, instead of taking handouts. Liberals consider themselves successful by keeping them in need of handouts. It's their way of buying votes. This is the liberal understanding of human nature, and how it can benefit them(the liberals).

Creating low-wage jobs has not eliminated handouts to low-wage workers. Low-wage jobs arguably exacerbate the shortage of housing affordable to low-wage workers.
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Old 07-02-2017, 08:36 AM
 
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Bible says, if you refuse to work you shouldn't eat.

For those who are crippled, sickly , etc.. the safety net is for them only. Not for able bodied lazy people who want all for nothing.

I've paid rent to people who refuse to work and somehow they never stopped eating - or drinking or smoking weed.
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Old 07-02-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I think the quality of housing projects should incentivize people to desperately want to get out of them.
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Old 07-02-2017, 09:01 AM
 
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I think the quality of housing projects should incentivize people to desperately want to get out of them.

Means-tested programs have resource or asset limits which are fairly low. A parent living in Section 8 housing might need a few thousand dollars to move into unsubsidized housinng - first, last, deposit, etc. And a few thousand dollars might exceed the resource limit and thereby make the parent ineligible for Section 8 assistance. Plus there's the issue of coming up with that money in the first place.
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Old 07-02-2017, 09:05 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Ben Carson, Affordable Housing Shouldn't Be Too "Comfortable". (generations, military)
........"According to The New York Times", the article said.And then the article launched into a series of exaggerations and misrepresentations.

Maybe CNN should run an article, too. They could quote an anonymous source!
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Old 07-02-2017, 09:18 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Many of us came from very humble beginnings. We worked our way out of them by doing 2 jobs and sacrificing. Not everyone has the mental and physical stamina to do it. Many simply feel it is owed to them. Drive by a low income housing development and be prepared to be shocked. ATVs, boats, late model cars and the small yards littered with trash. That's what I see when I drive by the ones near where I live. Satellite dishes on every unit. Screens broken out and A/C units hanging out of the windows.
Should we be footing the bill for people who can afford boats, ATVs, Satellite service and late model cars? Maybe a little more oversight is in order.
My friend has a job doing the maintenance at the one in my town. Those people don't even have to shovel their own snow. Window screens are replaced constantly. Walls require patching constantly. Keeps him employed and disgusted.
When you don't have to pay for your home you don't really respect or appreciate it. Now to be fair, most folks living in those places are honest, working people who just need some help. No harm no foul on them. Then there are the single mother families and mom keeps popping babies out every other year. It's interesting to see the people living in low income opening the bar at 7 am. Can't hold a job, have no money, but can keep the bar in business.
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Old 07-02-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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They should only get a cot and one meal a day at taxpayer expense.
a meal, why a meal? just a cot in a tent, in a old football fielld
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