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Old 11-29-2017, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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This is a massive redistribution of wealth.

My question is if the government needs revenue to operate, and we currently operate on a deficit, how will the overall reduction in tax revenue be made up? You can't make up a defecit by reducing income. All those persons and corporations that make over $100,000K to a billion or more will pay substantially less. How does this help the middle class?

Defense spending won't go down, so will federal funding for programs that actually help the middle class will be reduced? As the deficit increases will the value of the dollar shrink in international markets, making all those Chinese and Asian imported goods cost more?
The deficit is my biggest objection to this bill - it is nothing more than precursor to another 2008 crash.

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The theory of trickle down economics has worked out as well as the war against drugs. They are both fantasies that only exist in rhetoric.
And, yet, this FAILED theory is the only economic 'growth engine' the GOP espouses. So, we can assume, they are knowingly and intentionally, with full knowledge, undermining the economy and further impoverishing what remains of the middle class to appease their masters.

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And when they say economic growth will climb, who are they talking about? The stock market goes up and they say economic growth has increased. But I don't own any stocks, so it doesn't do anything for me. Like the tax plan, that growth is for the well to do. It doesn't raise wages or cut prices. It just funnels more wealth to those that are already well off.
Exactly - in a nutshell. Expect a repeat of 2008.

In preparation for which people would be well-served now live well below their means, pay off debt, develop a substantial emergency fund in anticipation of the inevitable financial calamity.
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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True but at a private school the TAs hourly rate comes to $25/hr.
Perhaps it does; I haven't done the calculations. But just about all TAs have a part-time workload--usually 25-50% (3-6 hours of classroom time plus a few more hours of prep/grading, etc per week). So if their per hour figure is high, it may be because they are not at full-time. Their primary identity is that of student.
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Boston
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i dont want to pay for your passion, pay for it yourself
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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crybabies
At least we made it past one full page before getting to this level.
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The deficit is my biggest objection to this bill - it is nothing more than precursor to another 2008 crash.

And, yet, this FAILED theory is the only economic 'growth engine' the GOP espouses. So, we can assume, they are knowingly and intentionally, with full knowledge, undermining the economy and further impoverishing what remains of the middle class to appease their masters.


Exactly - in a nutshell. Expect a repeat of 2008.

In preparation for which people would be well-served now live well below their means, pay off debt, develop a substantial emergency fund in anticipation of the inevitable financial calamity.
the 2008 recession was do to liberal policies on home-ownership (the housing bubble started in 1995) and the globalist liberal policies of off shoring jobs



this plan has a chance of reversing the offshoring......that's why liberals hate it


the 2008 crash.... liberal caused

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Old 11-29-2017, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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i dont want to pay for your passion, pay for it yourself
Unless you're paying full tuition at a university, you probably wouldn't have to "subsidize" TAs, so no need to worry: the payment of TA tuition is handled internally, and your outside money is not needed to make up any deficits.

And exemption of tuition waivers from taxation is not a "subsidy," in case you were heading in that direction. Tuition waivers are not "income," though some people seem to think it ought to be considered as such.

Lastly, it doesn't matter if the TAs have a "passion" for what they study or not. Though it's probably more productive for people to work in professions and fields that they enjoy, it isn't a requirement, and that's a personal consideration that is largely separate from the employment, training, and educational structures of universities.
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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the 2008 recession was do to liberal policies on home-ownership (the housing bubble started in 1995) and the globalist liberal policies of off shoring jobs

this plan has a chance of reversing the offshoring......that's why liberals hate it
Continue with your ignorance. It is serving you well in preparing for your future under the bridge.

Doubtful you will be bothered to enhance your knowledge, but on the off-chance you are sincerely interested in your financial well-being and are willing to learn - spend an hour - and concentrate - on this

https://www.c-span.org/video/?437614...uss-us-economy

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Old 11-29-2017, 08:44 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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the 2008 recession was do to liberal policies on home-ownership (the housing bubble started in 1995) and the globalist liberal policies of off shoring jobs



this plan has a chance of reversing the offshoring......that's why liberals hate it
It's not going to do very much about offshoring. The 35% corporate tax rate that the Republicans harp on is more like 12% after all the loopholes and deductions are figured in. When a recession finally comes along and the Republicans start screaming about needing to cut the budget, maybe the military can be cut for a change. Or better yet, why not go back to pre-Reagan tax rates of 70% tax on incomes over a million bucks or 90% capital gains tax rates on capital and dividends over a million. I bet that would raise a few bucks!
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:47 PM
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by that. Is it the idea that revenue generated from full-paying undergrads at private schools (for example) should not be used to pay for TAs who lead discussion sections for introductory courses? I don't see that as a subsidy, but rather as using undergrad tuition money for instructional purposes. TAs cost less to employ than professors, so undergrads actually get a deal this way. Otherwise, tuition could be thousands of dollars more.

But perhaps that isn't what you meant.
I'm actually not sure what you're talking about. The cost of waivers and loan write offs are not free, the cost gets passed on to the tax payers.

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This attitude is wrong, because it’s a global economy and other countries are subsidizing it. It puts us at a disadvantage if we don’t. However, we should only be subsidizing fields that we really need — medicine, scientific research, nanotechnology, that kind of stuff.
I actually agree with this, we should support STEM education. I don't want to support history majors or women's racial economics majors that end up as baristas anyway.
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