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At the end of the day, you don't try and advocate for one group by targeting another group. And that is EXACTLY what you do when you speak of 'white privilege'.
Good point.
And spot on.
Denigrating one group to advance another has never worked in history.
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry
Good to see you racism out in the open. Many whites are racist and that's why they don't hire minoritites. Not just a handful since that would mean it isn't a big problem, but that many whites are racist.
Not hiring a minority is not evidence of racism, and "many" is probably less than 3% of businesses, and those are by and large mom-and-pop shops.
Getting hung up on the word privilege? Words are important. Privilege means a special right or advantage given to one group exclusively and not to other groups.
And you're willfully skipping over the definition of white privilege (or advantage, if you will) that cautions the privilege is not given to every white person every time.
Reading is fundamental.
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Originally Posted by Catgirl64
You may be right about "advantage," as the word "privilege" seems to imply material wealth, when that is not the core of the issue. Witness many of the comments here claiming that privilege is a guarantee of success even though the initial post said that was not the case.
Never underestimate the refusal of the C-D member to try to grasp the issue, let alone read the entire initial post thoroughly.
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Originally Posted by redwood66
And what is to be done about this "problem"? I have heard plenty and there have been plenty of threads about this subject but not one solution from those that say it exists.
The discussions I've been in on the topic simply are a vehicle for getting people to think.
That may be too much for some.
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Originally Posted by PCALMike
Because people are trying to re-define the world "privilege". A privileged person is considered a well off person, part of some elite group.
privilege
[priv-uh-lij, priv-lij]
noun
1.a right, immunity, or benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most: the privileges of the very rich.
2.a special right, immunity, or exemption granted to persons in authority or office to free them from certain obligations or liabilities: the privilege of a senator to speak in Congress without danger of a libel suit.
3.a grant to an individual, corporation, etc., of a special right or immunity, under certain conditions.
4.the principle or condition of enjoying special rights or immunities.
5.any of the rights common to all citizens under a modern constitutional government: We enjoy the privileges of a free people.
6.an advantage or source of pleasure granted to a person: It's my privilege to be here.
Synonyms
1. Privilege, prerogative refer to a special advantage or right possessed by an individual or group. A privilege is a right or advantage gained by birth, social position, effort, or concession. It can have either legal or personal sanction: the privilege of paying half fare; the privilege of calling whenever one wishes. Prerogative refers to an exclusive right claimed and granted, often officially or legally, on the basis of social status, heritage, sex, etc.: the prerogatives of a king; the prerogatives of management. 4. license, freedom, liberty.
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Originally Posted by Catgirl64
I'm white. I'm neither proud of it nor ashamed of it. It just is. I think sometimes it has caused me to be treated better, in certain situations, than my black brothers and sisters, and that saddens me, but it doesn't make me feel guilty unless I have contributed to it or chosen to ignore it, nor does it mean I want to be treated badly myself, as another poster implied. It certainly doesn't make me hate myself. It *does* make me hate the fact that it happens - that others may be feared, judged, or treated poorly because of their race. It absolutely doesn't make me so damn defensive.
Amen to all of it.
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Originally Posted by rantiquity
Quotas are nothing but reverse discrimination.
There's no such thing as "reverse discrimination". Discrimination is discrimination, no matter who is doing it.
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Originally Posted by PCALMike
Might as well call it "female privilege". Females are far less likely to get shot by a police officer than white males. The same is true of elderly people. So there is elderly privilege. Female privilege. Elderly Asian females score the maximum point on this definition of your "white privilege". They basically never get shot.
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Originally Posted by RedZin
I want people not to be jerks, but I realize every time I log on here that it's unlikely to happen.
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry
Quit forcing your beliefs, no matter how well intended, on others.
Back at ya.
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry
But you don't want a level playing field. You want a level outcome and you want to use force to do it.
What the actual hell are you going on about? Is anyone here advocating force for any reason whatsoever?
Where does this nonsense come from?
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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981
Some people always have this weird belief that majority of the people want to be treated BETTER, no, I think majority of the people just want to be treated equally as everybody else.
And you're willfully skipping over the definition of white privilege (or advantage, if you will) that cautions the privilege is not given to every white person every time.
Reading is fundamental.
For one who fancies herself so brilliant, you don't quite understand that the phrase *white privilege* is manufactured based on a false narrative.
Black folks who are mistreated doesn't = white folks are privileged.
White privilege is a myth perpetuated by hate groups to justify racism.
I can’t think of a more offensive and baseless concept to crush and dishearten the psyche of all the people of color who have big plans to be highly successful in this country.
“Failed in life? Sorry, you just don’t have the skin color privilege.”
It exists to some degree, but is dramatically over blown. It is way less common than it was 60 years ago. If we keep going in the direction we're going, poor white people will be the least privileged group
Every normal society in human history (not counting those that were distorted through a numerically inferior group dominating the society by force) has been organized according to the preferences of the majority of its members. And simply by being numerically dominant, members of the majority group can be seen as "privileged" over those who are not members of that group. Thus, in Nigeria, you have "black privilege"; in Japan you have "Asian privilege"; and so on. Why then is it seen as strange and unnatural and offensive and oppressive if the United States (which has always been majority-white, even if it may not always remain so) is set up to give preferences to its numerically dominant members?
Every normal society in human history (not counting those that were distorted through a numerically inferior group dominating the society by force) has been organized according to the preferences of the majority of its members. And simply by being numerically dominant, members of the majority group can be seen as "privileged" over those who are not members of that group. Thus, in Nigeria, you have "black privilege"; in Japan you have "Asian privilege"; and so on. Why then is it seen as strange and unnatural and offensive and oppressive if the United States (which has always been majority-white, even if it may not always remain so) is set up to give preferences to its numerically dominant members?
You are undoubtedly correct, but I suspect that the intent of the original question was to deal with the issue as it exists in the US. Who knows? There may be a graduate student in Japan writing about the very same thing, and how it applies to her country.
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