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Old 05-22-2018, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Originally Posted by Chicano3000X View Post
When black folks use it, its an acknowledgement of one another. They took a wird and made it their own. When white folks use it, its a double meaning behind it.
It was a word used oppressively by white folks in the past. Black folks just flipped it. So now you no longer feel superior by saying the word. Infact, most feel left out they cant say it.
You are absolutely correct, they flipped it to take the power out of it and it worked so well that now the racists were triggered, they need to let it go and move on, or maybe they could find some comic relief if they started calling each other 'cracker'

 
Old 05-22-2018, 11:36 AM
 
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Pre-arranged staged bull$h!t. He thought he was being funny but it is racist and he is an a-hole.

We have all this turmoil right now with racism and this moron has the N-word all through his songs but yet wants to act like he is pissed because someone who is not black recited his lyrics. If you want to help end racism, stop using the hateful words yourself instead of perpetuating its use.
 
Old 05-22-2018, 11:38 AM
 
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He doesn't need a stunt. He is already popular and successful.
The stunt would not be for publicity but to make a statement, send a message and embarrass a "racist", and keep whitey in line.

Imagine white artist scolding a black fan for singing their lyrics.
 
Old 05-22-2018, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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All this for a staged incident.

Chill, people.

 
Old 05-22-2018, 11:43 AM
 
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The stunt would not be for publicity but to make a statement, send a message and embarrass a "racist", and keep whitey in line.

Imagine white artist scolding a black fan for singing their lyrics.
Not the same at all.\

That's the thing -- in life there are nuances, subtle differences.

Why are we always trying to make these huge generalizations.

The young 'uns who aren't black and like Lamar's music just know (for the most part) you don't sing or say the word out loud.

It isn't complicated. It's not a big deal....and it is what it is.

He didn't ask her not to sing all his lyrics -- just that one word.

And yes, it is symbolic. That's okay.
 
Old 05-22-2018, 11:46 AM
 
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Heard about this already. FWIW he does this at a lot of concerts and most of the white fans dont' say the word when they rap with him.

But I'll note I know his music and his style. He's a great rap artists IMO but he does himself and the genre a disservice by staging these sorts of things. Fans will sing every word in a song. If he doesn't want his white fans or non-black fans saying the n-word, he shouldn't be putting it in his songs plain and simple.

It is an historically vicious word and no matter the excuses people make up, it historically is a tool to dehumanize black people. The continued use of it IMO is a symptom of the pervasiveness of the black inferiority complex that people would make up (try to rationalize) reasons to disrespect themselves. No other group of people routinely call themselves the derrogatory slurs made up by people who seek to demean or who have a history of oppressing them and IMO Kendrick should use his role as one of the top hip hop artists today to make a lasting change in the genre by eliminating his use of the word unless it is for some artistic reason (like Jay-Z's "The Story of OJ" and FWIW he should stop using it as well IMO).

People can say whatever they want but it is hypocritical of Kendrick to either really be upset or to feign being upset at his fans repeating his own lyrics when he invited them to do so.
 
Old 05-22-2018, 11:54 AM
 
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Not the same at all.\

That's the thing -- in life there are nuances, subtle differences.

Why are we always trying to make these huge generalizations.

The young 'uns who aren't black and like Lamar's music just know (for the most part) you don't sing or say the word out loud.

It isn't complicated. It's not a big deal....and it is what it is.

He didn't ask her not to sing all his lyrics -- just that one word.

And yes, it is symbolic. That's okay.
No, it isn't ok. It is obvious what is going on here. And it is no generalization. It is a problem that these kids have been so brainwashed they pay money to listen to someone who would censor them because of their race. That is a problem. Include lyrics appropriate for everyone or leave those words out. He put them in on purpose knowing he would be censoring a particular group of people because of their race while taking their money. One word or fifty, it does not matter. Kids should not be treated that way by the artists they keep in business, and they don't even know it is wrong.
 
Old 05-22-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Chicano3000X View Post
When black folks use it, its an acknowledgement of one another. They took a wird and made it their own. When white folks use it, its a double meaning behind it.

It was a word used oppressively by white folks in the past. Black folks just flipped it. So now you no longer feel superior by saying the word. Infact, most feel left out they cant say it.

Just dont say it.

The girls was dumb. Its in the lyrics but any self aware white person knows not to say it.

Kendrick played it cool though. Him and JCole are the greatest out there right now.
Often when black people use it, it is a means to disrespect another black person as well.

It was used oppressively by whites and blacks in the past. To this day one of the surest ways to demean a black person by another black person is to call them a n***.

I also love both Kendrick and JCole but both of them use it too much and they have a lot of white fans and if they don't want white people singing their songs with the n-word, then they shouldn't put them in the lyrics. Kendrick is a great lyricist and can be so without the word at all. I'm hoping the extra attention paid to this scenario in particular will encourage him to not use it.

May offend, but honestly, I don't believe that most white people are all that knowledgeable or bright about the history of black people in this nation and especially not so in regards to this word. Most younger black people are not either because contrary to what people may believe, most younger black people today (the Millenials and younger) did not grow up in the previously, very tight knit, black communities that those of us who are older were reared in so they did not get the lessons that some things are just for black people and that you cannot trust that whites will know or understand certain things that we do or say amongst each other. We should also, due to our evolution as a people, think about and reconsider continuing to use this word amongst each other. It is unnecessary and the word is one that was used to dehumanize our ancestors - label them not as a human but an animal or beast called a "n**ger." There is nothing good about it and it shouldn't be made "our own." It needs to be left in the past IMO.
 
Old 05-22-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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Heard about this already. FWIW he does this at a lot of concerts and most of the white fans dont' say the word when they rap with him.

But I'll note I know his music and his style. He's a great rap artists IMO but he does himself and the genre a disservice by staging these sorts of things. Fans will sing every word in a song. If he doesn't want his white fans or non-black fans saying the n-word, he shouldn't be putting it in his songs plain and simple.

It is an historically vicious word and no matter the excuses people make up, it historically is a tool to dehumanize black people. The continued use of it IMO is a symptom of the pervasiveness of the black inferiority complex that people would make up (try to rationalize) reasons to disrespect themselves. No other group of people routinely call themselves the derrogatory slurs made up by people who seek to demean or who have a history of oppressing them and IMO Kendrick should use his role as one of the top hip hop artists today to make a lasting change in the genre by eliminating his use of the word unless it is for some artistic reason (like Jay-Z's "The Story of OJ" and FWIW he should stop using it as well IMO).

People can say whatever they want but it is hypocritical of Kendrick to either really be upset or to feign being upset at his fans repeating his own lyrics when he invited them to do so.
I have often wondered if use of the N word started out somehow for people to make themselves feel superior to other people. Like the way poor white people will refer to other poor white people as trailer trash or white trash and they don't see themselves that way even though they live in the same trailer park.

I don't really thinks that is how the N word is used to day, but did it start out that way among black people?

I am unfamiliar with the adoption history, just the common usage and the usage by white people throughout the years.

I do think the only way to stop people from using it is just to quit using it, though.
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Old 05-22-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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