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Old 06-08-2018, 08:16 PM
 
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You have a trust fund, too, that you did absolutely nothing to earn but was simply handed to you? Because the poster you just quoted does. It's easy to tell everyone else to get off their "dead asses" when you yourself did nothing but put your hand out and a trust fund was dropped into it, huh?
I worked for every cent that I ever made

Started at 10 shoveling snow and cutting grass with a push hand mower. Got my first paying job at 16 delivering flowers while in high school and 1st year of college. Worked in mall maintenance in highschool and college until I became a pharmacy intern for 2.00 an hour until graduation then pharmacist, salesman, sales manager and VP Sales until I retired at 70

Got married in my Pre-junior year of Pharmacy College and worked every night, weekends and summers as an intern at 2.35 an hour

I paid for my own college tuition because my parents had nothing.

No trusts, no inheritances for me.

I paid into Social Security for over 64 years.

We put our kids through college with no debt. Then the Bank of Mike closed and we saved for us

Next?
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Old 06-08-2018, 08:21 PM
 
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This shouldn't be about the haves and have nots. It should be about making healthcare equally available and affordable for everyone.
I'd much rather pay an extra $300 a month in taxes than $700 a month in insurance premiums with a $5000 deductible but call me crazy.
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Old 06-08-2018, 08:24 PM
 
Location: IL
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I worked for every cent that I ever made

Started at 10 shoveling snow and cutting grass with a push hand mower. Got my first paying job at 16 delivering flowers while in high school and 1st year of college. Worked in mall maintenance in highschool and college until I became a pharmacy intern for 2.00 an hour until graduation then pharmacist, salesman, sales manager and VP Sales until I retired at 70

Got married in my Pre-junior year of Pharmacy College and worked every night, weekends and summers as an intern at 2.35 an hour

I paid for my own college tuition because my parents had nothing.

No trusts, no inheritances for me.

I paid into Social Security for over 64 years.

We put our kids through college with no debt. Then the Bank of Mike closed and we saved for us

Next?
jams is a clown put on the ignore list
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Old 06-08-2018, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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This shouldn't be about the haves and have nots. It should be about making healthcare equally available and affordable for everyone.
I'd much rather pay an extra $300 a month in taxes than $700 a month in insurance premiums with a $5000 deductible but call me crazy.
but it wont be 300 compared to 700... it will be 2,000+/month in taxes


the fact is THE CARE will cost that...not insurance, but the CARE


to cover 330 million people at 100% coverage... you are talking 5-7 trillion ADDITIONAL dollars over the 1 trillion the federal government already spends on Medicare/Medicaid ...TODAY, with costs going up every year

meanwhile there are only 152 million workers (tax filers), of which there is about 47% that PAY NOTHING (a zero tax liability, and of those half have a negative tax liability(they get more back than they had deducted)) in federal income tax... so the reality is you have 'about' 77 million taxpayers to support the federal spending problem (that is why we have been running a deficit for the last 40+ years) ( and 5 out of 8 of obamas years had 1.2+trillion deficits) deficits for decades , and no way to fund a '''singlepayer'''


so if the taxes from the current 77 million individual tax payers doesn't cover a 4 trillion dollar budget...what do you think adding an additional 5-7 trillion will do???
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:06 PM
 
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but it wont be 300 compared to 700... it will be 2,000+/month in taxes


the fact is THE CARE will cost that...not insurance, but the CARE


to cover 330 million people at 100% coverage... you are talking 5-7 trillion ADDITIONAL dollars over the 1 trillion the federal government already spends on Medicare/Medicaid ...TODAY, with costs going up every year

meanwhile there are only 152 million workers (tax filers), of which there is about 47% that PAY NOTHING (a zero tax liability, and of those half have a negative tax liability(they get more back than they had deducted)) in federal income tax... so the reality is you have 'about' 77 million taxpayers to support the federal spending problem (that is why we have been running a deficit for the last 40+ years) ( and 5 out of 8 of obamas years had 1.2+trillion deficits) deficits for decades , and no way to fund a '''singlepayer'''


so if the taxes from the current 77 million individual tax payers doesn't cover a 4 trillion dollar budget...what do you think adding an additional 5-7 trillion will do???
I don't know where you get those figures but regardless, every other civilized country on earth is able to do it from poor countries to very rich countries. Funny how we seem to be virtually the only people on this planet that can't manage to do it. It could be done on a state level as well. It doesn't need to be money taken out of your paycheck either. It could be a national sales tax or state sales tax so every person who buys anything contributes, not just people working.
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:10 PM
 
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Excellent. Yet another reason to vote D in November.
Lol... They say it cause they know idiots would vote for them without any intention for it to be law... They know the Senate and president would never allow it and that is why they would never say something so retarded if they had the presidency and Senate... They only say it to get more votes from idiots...
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:18 PM
 
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We should have medicare for all because those who have insurance have to pay for them. Do you think doctors and hospitals see them for free. Someone has to pay....and it's the rest of us.
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I don't know where you get those figures but regardless, every other civilized country on earth is able to do it from poor countries to very rich countries. Funny how we seem to be virtually the only people on this planet that can't manage to do it. It could be done on a state level as well. It doesn't need to be money taken out of your paycheck either. It could be a national sales tax or state sales tax so every person who buys anything contributes, not just people working.
the simple fact is that a 100% coverage singlepayer will cost IN CARE about 6 trillion dollars to cover 330 million people

that cost is 2018, and next year it will be 3-5% MORE, and the next year 3-5% more (costs go up every year)

6 trillion divided by 330 million (this means CHARGING every breathing person to include NEWBORNS) is about 18k each person.... so even in a national sales tax.. do you have 18k, does your wife have 18k in sale tax, does your daughter have 18k is sales tax money??

so lets look at tax filers... about 152 million (pretty much households)...… 39.4k does your household have nearly 40k in taxes to '''donate''' to the government.. annually??? all for the 'security' of singlepayer???


now that was more Medicaid 100% coverage.... oh and the government loves denial of care

how about medicare… well medicare is a 75/25 insurance, with copays denials, etc

so the cost wont be 6+ trillion, it would be about 4.5+ trillion......doesn't make the numbers much better
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:54 PM
 
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Why should the single mom of two working as a waitress that feels a lump in her breast have to choose between quitting and going on welfare or dying?
I was referring to terminally ill people. End of life costs are outrageous (and, I am an old guy)
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:57 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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I tend to dislike Pelosi, but...

What's wrong with Medicare for all? It already covers the neediest and sickest populations.
And who will be paying for it?
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