Speaking of Supreme Court justices and Roe vs Wade, can we talk about the need for common sense abortion control? (party, examples)
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Every fetus is unique, and there is no specific time when viability can be declared. Leave the decision to the woman involved in consultation with whoever she decides is relevant. Keep your hands to yourself. Keep your hands out of other people's vaginas and minds. Tend to your own business. And stop trying to impose your religious beliefs on others. Don't Sharia your fellow Americans. We don't do that in a free country.
Ok for Pete's sake...will you give up on the Sharia nonsense already?
And I've already told you that I'm not religious.
I'm not advocating outlawing abortion, so stop talking like I am.
True. I had a friend who had a late term abortion after having tried for many years to conceive. She aborted well after any arbitrary "viability" deadline. This was because she (the fetus) had a severe form of osteoimperfectii and had her brain growing outside of her skull. Not only was she suffering (multiple broken bones in utero) but she was not going to survive birth. So my friend had the late term abortion. That sort of decision should be made between a woman and her doctor. Don't you agree?
Yes I do.
However that situation is far outside the norm and far beyond what most abortion rights advocates have in mind when they push for legalization of late term abortion.
Anyone can cite extreme examples....it doesn't make them particularly relevant in the big picture.
What is it that makes her body more important than the fetus?
What is it in your view that makes one human life more valuable than another?
Because the fetus doesnt survive until the late stages of pregnancy without the mothers body. It cant. Doesnt have the development to survive outside. If one potentially human, cant survive without its host, which do you think is more important.
However that situation is far outside the norm and far beyond what most abortion rights advocates have in mind when they push for legalization of late term abortion.
Anyone can cite extreme examples....it doesn't make them particularly relevant in the big picture.
To say extreme examples dont count or arent relevant, degrades the individual. Groups dont matter and are worthless, when individuals have to make this decision of whether to abort.
I've already asked the following question, and NO one has answered it:
Women can get contraceptive services/supplies at the exact same Planned Parenthood facilities where they're getting their abortions, or at one of the likely much closer 14,000+ publicly funded (Title X) Family Planning Clinics, nationwide. That would eliminate the need for having so many abortions in the first place, so why don't they do so?
It has been answered. You keep ignoring the answer.
1. There are not 14,000 Publicly funded (Title X) Family Planning Clinics nationwide.
"In 2010, subsidized family planning services were provided at 8,409 safety-net health centers—3,165 (38%) were federally qualified health centers, 2,439 (29%) were health department clinics, 1,324 (16%) were other clinics, 817 (10%) were Planned Parenthood centers and 664 (8%) were hospital clinics."
That means that 10% of those "publicly funded (Title X) Family Planning Clinics, nationwide" were PP clinics.
2. Half the women who request abortion were using contraceptives in the cycle in which they conceived, obtained at PP or elsewhere.
Edit: I looked for more recent data on the number of clinics and found this.
The numbers did not change significantly between 2010 and 2015:
"In 2010, state or county public health departments administered 29% of all clinics and served 27% of all clients receiving care from this network of providers. Planned Parenthood affiliates administered 10% of clinics, but served more than one-third of the clients (36%). The remaining clinics were administered by FQHCs (38%), serving 16% of clients; or by other types of agencies (16%), serving 13% of clients. Hospital outpatient clinics account for 8% of the network and make up the largest single clinic type within the “other clinics” category. Groups too small to report separately include independent women’s clinics, other community clinics not part of the FQHC network (such as FQHC look-alikes*), Indian Health Service clinics and other unaffiliated clinics."
"Forty-five percent of all publicly funded clinics providing contraceptive care received some funding from the federal Title X program. This status varies widely by provider type: 86% of health department and 69% of Planned Parenthood clinics receive Title X funding, compared with 17% of FQHCs. Nearly three-quarters (72%) of Title X–funded sites reported being focused on providing reproductive health services."
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Because the fetus doesnt survive until the late stages of pregnancy without the mothers body. It cant. Doesnt have the development to survive outside. If one potentially human, cant survive without its host, which do you think is more important.
The definition of "viable" is a fetus capable of surviving outside of the mother's body.
To say extreme examples dont count or arent relevant, degrades the individual. Groups dont matter and are worthless, when individuals have to make this decision of whether to abort.
Maybe so, but abortion advocates always seem to want to use these types of extreme examples in order to justify the far more common run of the mill baby killing on demand for convenience.
Same goes for instances of pregnancy due to rape etc.
I'm just talking about common sense abortion controls that all Americans agree on, what's not reasonable about that?
What you're really talking about it getting into people's personal lives.
Abortion is a legal, medical procedure.
Why do people want to try to decide what other people should or should not do?
How does your example (number of abortions) matter?
I doubt most people have had multiple abortions and if they have, they might have a good reason. Have you ever considered the idea that a woman who has had multiple abortions MIGHT NOT be the best mother if she was forced to have a kid?
And, please don't go with something punitive like "force her to have one and put it up for adoption" because forcing people to breed like farm animals is not a good idea, either.
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However that situation is far outside the norm and far beyond what most abortion rights advocates have in mind when they push for legalization of late term abortion.
Anyone can cite extreme examples....it doesn't make them particularly relevant in the big picture.
Who is "pushing for late term abortion" and how do you define "late term abortion"?
"Although most abortions take place early in pregnancy, 9% of women who obtain an abortion do so after the first trimester (at 14 weeks or later), and slightly more than 1% of abortions are performed at 21 weeks or later."
"Women seeking later abortions typically experience more logistical delays—including difficulties finding a provider, raising funds for the procedure and travel, finding a facility and securing insurance coverage—than women who receive a first-trimester abortion."
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