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Old 09-09-2018, 10:41 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
That is factually untrue.

The so-called federal poverty level, which is $12,140 for a single person is the weighted average of the poverty levels of the 48 contiguous States.

The federal government does not include Hawaii or Alaska, because both are statistical outliers, since they are isolated and have unusually higher costs than other States.

In some States, the poverty level is actually $6,400 while in a couple of States it is greater than $20,000.

The federal government merely adds up the poverty levels reported by the each of the 48 States, then weights them (which further skews the data) and then divides the total by 48 to arrive at the average of $12,140.

Someone earning $10,000 in a State where the poverty level is $6,400 is doing far better than someone earning $10,000 and living in a State where the poverty level is over $20,000.

This statement does not refute the point the original poster was making, unless you'd like to divine for us how it does.....
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Old 09-09-2018, 10:51 PM
 
Location: AZ
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U.S. inflation accelerated in May to the fastest pace in more than six years, reinforcing the Federal Reserve’s outlook for gradual interest-rate hikes while eroding wage gains that remain relatively tepid despite an 18-year low in unemployment.

The consumer price index rose 0.2 percent from the previous month and 2.8 percent from a year earlier, matching estimates, a Labor Department report showed Tuesday. The annual gain was the biggest since February 2012 and follows a 2.5 percent increase in April. Excluding food and energy, the core gauge was up 0.2 percent from the prior month and 2.2 percent from May 2017, also matching the median estimates of economists.
Isn't our glorious leader just doing such a wonderful job? We can all benefit from more expensive goods, or so I'm told!

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A separate Labor Department report on Tuesday illustrated how higher prices are pinching wallets: average hourly wages, adjusted for inflation, were unchanged in May from a year earlier, even as nominal pay accelerated to a 2.7 percent annual gain from 2.6 percent in April. For production and nonsupervisory workers, real average hourly earnings fell 0.1 percent from a year earlier.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...wage-increases

"Real Wage Growth" is nonexistent.
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Old 09-09-2018, 11:19 PM
 
Location: USA
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Life isn't fair. If you don't have the IQ and work ethic to land a job at Google, then you have to be content with a McJob.
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Old 09-09-2018, 11:29 PM
 
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So why did half the country vote for a billionaire who is catering to the rich (and his own family) with tax cuts? Half the country is convinced the poorest people are responsible for their financial problems, not the rich. When will someone come out with a slogan like "It's not socialism, it's democracy... a government of the people, by the people and for the people, not for the millionaires and billionaires"?



the same reason the other half of the country voted for a millionaire that made herself and her husband millionaires in government who caters to Wall Street and globalism and sold out the working class with bad trade deals that only the elite class here and overseas benefits.
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Old 09-09-2018, 11:37 PM
 
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Yes you are completely ignoring genetics. You even asked if work rate was tied to genetics. When given proof, you simply ignored it.

Same with the disabled. You pay lip service to the disabled who cant work, but do you vote for people who push for higher benefits than the appalling $700 a month they get now? No you dont. The question you have to ask yourself is why dont you have the guts to vote against Wall Street? Do you think Wall Street has the best interests of the working class or the disabled at heart?

You constantly think I am a democrat who support Clinton or Obama. This isnt a football game.
The bolded is the reason corporate propaganda works so well. Instead of taking the time to truly consider an issue, too many people just parrot their partisan "team's" talking points. Anytime corporate greed and extreme income inequity is questioned, many team posters will write post after post blaming low earning workers for the fact that they work full time jobs but are still in poverty and never dare question the policies of corporations and wealthy elite that lead to so many hard working Americans struggling to afford even the lowest version of the American dream.

There's always a pat answer for everything that keeps the focus on US workers being solely at fault if they struggle; if one earns low wages, they must be too lazy to get educated. If one is educated but earning low wages, they must have chosen the wrong kind of education. A typical partisan tactic is divert attention by falsely alluding to something that was never stated, such as when a post criticises the fact that a job pays the same wage today as it did decades ago and a poster responds that the job is low skilled and never meant to earn one an upper class salary, as though stating a full time job should pay above the poverty level and wages should rise over decades is equivelent to expecting an top percentile salary for low skill work.

I've been reading along and just shaking my head at how predictable the answers are. The partisan puppets have been trained well in how to answer questions in a manner that directs away from questioning the donor class and the power they wield over our government. Americans are working more productively than ever, but the fruits of their labors have primarily accrued to those at the top and to corporate profits.

What about Clinton/Obama(?) is a nothing answer and an obvious attemt to avoid addressing the actual issue. This isn't a team competition, i.e.. Trump vs Clinton/Obama. Stark economic disparity is an issue all our representatives, reagardless of party need to address in order for the US to truly prosper. Concentrated wealth in the hands of a few while the majority struggle is not a recipe for economic growth. Those benefitting from the status quo usually donate to both parties. Money buys influence over politicians and it buys exposure vehicles for propaganda which can influence average people to speak against their own interests.

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Old 09-09-2018, 11:50 PM
 
Location: AZ
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the same reason the other half of the country voted for a millionaire that made herself and her husband millionaires in government who caters to Wall Street and globalism and sold out the working class with bad trade deals that only the elite class here and overseas benefits.
You’re describing Trump to the T.
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Old 09-10-2018, 02:10 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
That is factually untrue.

The so-called federal poverty level, which is $12,140 for a single person is the weighted average of the poverty levels of the 48 contiguous States.

The federal government does not include Hawaii or Alaska, because both are statistical outliers, since they are isolated and have unusually higher costs than other States.

In some States, the poverty level is actually $6,400 while in a couple of States it is greater than $20,000.

The federal government merely adds up the poverty levels reported by the each of the 48 States, then weights them (which further skews the data) and then divides the total by 48 to arrive at the average of $12,140.

Someone earning $10,000 in a State where the poverty level is $6,400 is doing far better than someone earning $10,000 and living in a State where the poverty level is over $20,000.
Great point.
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Old 09-10-2018, 02:36 AM
 
Location: USA
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Why should they raise wages? The workers can simply collect government welfare to make up for the lack of wages. I know some people who work at Walmart, and at the Amazon warehouse. They get food stamps, medicaid, section 8, etc.
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Old 09-10-2018, 04:20 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Ostensibly, for the past ten years, our economy has been recovering from the 2008 collapse.
Well, that would only be according to Barack Obama and his loyal subjects. No need to read beyond that point.

Next!
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Old 09-10-2018, 04:21 AM
 
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Actually the situation with the decline in birth replacement levels is a global as the Great Depression.
Factor into the (global) economy 78.8 million baby boomers leaving the workforce, with the decline in replacement level births, it leaves a void. And people still believe the government creates these jobs. Even the private sector hasn't anything to sing about either ... oh, but they do. I just don't buy into it, because I see something that is a bit more logical.
I dont know what you are talking about. I am talking about teenage birth rates in America being far, far higher than societies with a proper public safety net.
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