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Other measures have been supported by most Democrats and a growing number of Republicans since this boondoggle was first proposed: better enforcement of legal employment of non-citizens and calling illegal employees to account, better surveillance at the border, simplifying the massive red tape required for someone seeking to enter legally for work or as a refugee, and so on. Far easier and less time-consuming than the proposed wall or fence, and easier to change to meeting changing conditions as time passes, should that be necessary as it likely would be.
By support, do you mean a few talking heads have spoke of it because there sure haven't been any bills put on the table for it.
Employment enforcement, as in e-Verify, is tepidly supported by Republicans and strongly opposed by Democrats. You can dispense with the claim that Dems support it.
Better surveillance by itself accomplishes nothing except giving illegals a chance to smile and wave as they cross. Adding agents and vehicle may allow you to respond and catch more but that accomplishes nothing as long as we are forced into catch-and-release.
Simplifying red tape sounds like a scheme to get more immigrants here.
When I say easier to implement, I mean in practical political reality. We were 9 or 10 Senate votes from a wall last month. Those other measures aren't even to a committee or being discussed.
Most who are knowledgeable about constructing a wall or fence of this scale have estimated it would take around ten to fifteen years to complete the project. So "building the wall NOW" is not possible.
I'm talking about getting started not final completion.
I'm sure a private contractor would drag it out. They are concerned with profit not speed. But most would have looked at the collapsed highways in the Alaskan earthquake last month and estimated a year to repair. The road was repaired and fully functional within a few days. It's amazing how fast things can get built when necessary. If there had been an alternate route available, officials would probably still be "assessing the damage".
It doesn’t need a cent for it if Mitch would get off his ass and let the senate vote.
That would not be responsible. It is not Mitch's job to pass the DNC wish list CR. When a compromise CR is passed by the House, Mitch should consult with fellow Senate leaders, and if they deem it worthy, allow a full vote.
Were you as concerned about who was going to fund the wall back in 2006 when the actual wall bill was passed and it was to be soley funded by the taxpayer? So you think it's cheaper to continue paying the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us rather than the one time cost of $25 billion for the wall? Here's Trump's plan and no he shouldn't have to wait for Mexico to pay for it as it is needed now!
Liberals don't understand that there is already wall and fencing on the border, miles of it. Trump is just helping to close some of the gaps.
The seed and idea that Trump planted of a wall that America needs, won't stop even if Trump can't get his wall. The wall is now an embodiment of American exceptionalism to keep "outsiders" out and it will be constructed eventually.
If our taxpayer money goes toward welfare queens, food stamps, and section 8 housing vouchers, I have no problem with it going towards a border wall.
We won't. Its a partial shutdown, and the private, productive sector is humming along.
CR funding for a wall at an acceptable level will determine how long the shutdown continues.
22 and counting.
I guess you don't believe in trickles in the economy. The longer this goes, families with government employees either furloughed or forced into slavery until the shutdown ends. You don't think these people would contribute the way they normally do to the economy while they aren't working or getting paid for their work? They won't. Bills don't take a holiday just because of furloughs and forced to work without pay. Then again in your post history, you are a rare Republican who praise technology replacing hardworking Americans.
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Bad bill. DOA.
Any CR must include enhanced border security money.
What the House passed was rubbish.
It maybe bad but why did McConnell allow it in December 2018 but now it isn't in January 2019 now that a Democrat controlled House of Representatives passed the same bill he did. The Turtle is party over country and I can only hope for an insurrection vote of no confidence for the Senate President by his own party. Let the President decide if he should veto it and if Congress will override the veto through a 2/3rds vote in a joint-Congress.
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It doesn’t need a cent for it if Mitch would get off his ass and let the senate vote.
Nope The Turtle is too busy licking Trump's boots. Time for the Republicans to vote for a new Senate President.
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That would not be responsible. It is not Mitch's job to pass the DNC wish list CR. When a compromise CR is passed by the House, Mitch should consult with fellow Senate leaders, and if they deem it worthy, allow a full vote.
Was it a DNC wish list when the Senate nearly unanimously voted to approve the CR before Trump got clowned by conservative commentators to push for the wall?
Trump doesn't care about his wall. Two years in office and not a word.
Now, all of a sudden, it's a national emergency?
Please.
This is all distraction drama.
Is it too soon to worry about October 1st, when ALL the federal agencies will again be on the hook for funding. What temper tantrum will we all be hostage to at that point?
Is it too soon to worry about October 1st, when ALL the federal agencies will again be on the hook for funding. What temper tantrum will we all be hostage to at that point?
Hard to say.
What board of any corporation would put up with such irrational behavior?
Haven't read much of this thread and I am sure someone ese also said it is NOT Trump's gov't shutdown.
It is shumer's and pelosi's because they REFUSE to sit down and negotiate.
A pox on both houses. For the President getting done his signature campaign promise which separated him from the Republican also ran Presidential candidates is worth a new issue for the political media class to bash him on. For the professional Democratic leadership it is better to resist and obstruct so President Trump can't claim a win. That alone is worth the temporary hurt done to the federal labor union worker and government service consumer. With the implied promise that if we win down the line not only will they get paid back but we will take more of other people's money to give to you.
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So you think it's cheaper to continue paying the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us rather than the one time cost of $25 billion for the wall? 
Here's Trump's plan and no he shouldn't have to wait for Mexico to pay for it as it is needed now!
