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"Moldy Tater Gangrene, even before Moscow Marge."
(set 4 days ago)
Location: Dallas, TX
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Originally Posted by mash123
So basically you say that there are demographics that you can offend and there are others that you can not. Am I right?
Sometimes, especially if you're in a clearly higher prestige/power group than the other group. Why else would rural to small city blue collar types get offended at a "coastal elitist" comedian having jokes about "rednecks"?
Beyond this, you seem to be assuming that:
1. Gillette and its ad agency attacked masculinity in general.
2. Traditional definitions and criteria for masculinity don't need to change.
3. It should be socially acceptable to disparage or condescend to women and "unmanly men".
4. Any male (especially in the average or lower half of the dominance hierarchy) who object to or trivializes bullying, condescension to women (or even uncalled for sexual gestures), and disparagement of "unmanly males" is themselves worthy of whatever disparagement that comes their way.
To teach a boy or a girl to act wimpy leads to the snowflakery we have in this era. Men are supposed to be the stronger sex. This is due to evolution and sexual dimorphism.
If men are the "stronger sex," why are so many men so upset about this ad?
Being strong means being confident. Are you confident in your masculinity? If this commercial makes you so uncomfortable that you're complaining about it or even changing your shopping habits, the answer is no.
If one feels the need to insult & denigrate other men, they have low self esteem, no self confidence. What exactly is the problem with these other men?
This public service ad from Gillette is one big insult and denigration of other men, yet you have no problem with that?
I find it amusing that SJWs seem to have decided that the best way to bully men in to supporting this ad or keeping silent about their opposition to this ad about toxic masculinity is to question their masculinity. Even if you have a valid point it's not the kind of message people are going to be open to, nor is it meant to be. Not in the way it is being presented. Belittling and attempts at verbal emasculation are actually counterproductive to any persuasive minded goal.
The bickering is more about people who dislike each other trying to **** each other off and "own" each other than it is about any message behind this ad. The ad is meant to anger people who SJWs want to see being angry so they can troll them about it. There's no positive intent behind it. It's what happens when people whose agenda is more political than economical are put in charge of marketing campaigns.
And the notion that "all publicity is good publicity" is not a universal truth. Ask any baker who has gotten publicity about their policies on baking custom cakes for homosexual weddings, or any small business in general that has felt the wrath of an SJW negative publicity storm.
Ok.
What would you say about a bra company add that talks zilch about the quality of their bras, but lecturing women not to behave like sluts, not to be snakes at the work-place and to stop falsely accusing men of rape?
If men are the "stronger sex," why are so many men so upset about this ad?
Being strong means being confident. Are you confident in your masculinity? If this commercial makes you so uncomfortable that you're complaining about it or even changing your shopping habits, the answer is no.
We aren't allowed to comment on things in which we disagree? We are just supposed to be quiet, and go sit in the corner?
Many people see a societal trend here of which this is just one example. It is evident in the Media, Social Media, Entertainment, Education, and Corporate Advertising where they use constant Virtue Signaling to prop up their favorited group du jour. It is condescending the those groups, and insulting to he other groups they demonize.
Status:
"Moldy Tater Gangrene, even before Moscow Marge."
(set 4 days ago)
Location: Dallas, TX
5,790 posts, read 3,602,372 times
Reputation: 5697
Quote:
Originally Posted by charolastra00
If men are the "stronger sex," why are so many men so upset about this ad?
Being strong means being confident. Are you confident in your masculinity? If this commercial makes you so uncomfortable that you're complaining about it or even changing your shopping habits, the answer is no.
Because certain males with high informal social status (within their broadly-based social circle, if nowhere else but just as easily can still get granted high status well outside the said social circle) think they ought to make the social rules for what or who is acceptable or unacceptable. Then when society challenges that long-held assumption, they have absolutely maniacal objections to losing that social privilege (formal or informal). This is especially true when they put down, belittle, or dish outright indignities to others that they themselves would never accept for a millisecond. In this case, calling them out for mistreating others who are in a weaker or lower status position.
But they're making ads highlighting the problems that you want to focus on.
I'm not here to praise Gillette, only to mock those "men"who compete to see who can make themselves out as being the biggest victim. Anyone feeling attacked by that ad should probably look into how he can better shore up his masculinity, because damn! - those are some fragile egos, boys.
We aren't allowed to comment on things in which we disagree? We are just supposed to be quiet, and go sit in the corner?
Many people see a societal trend here of which this is just one example. It is evident in the Media, Social Media, Entertainment, Education, and Corporate Advertising where they use constant Virtue Signaling to prop up their favorited group du jour. It is condescending the those groups, and insulting to he other groups they demonize.
Maybe you should try smiling more.
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