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Old 01-21-2019, 08:09 AM
 
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We can believe Trump and his supporters......

"President Trump made 8,158 false or misleading claims in his first two years
The president averaged nearly 5.9 false or misleading claims a day in his first year in office. But he hit nearly 16.5 a day in his second year, almost triple the pace."

I mean - that's pretty dang good, he broke his own records by double in the 2nd year.

"Conservatives" seem to accept many, if not most, of these lies....or at least they put faith in a human being who lies that much.

IMHO, anyone of basic sanity would have to dismiss each and every thing he says and does. No person can possibly sort out 8,158 lies from a couple truths.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:10 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Wait till DACA gets to the Supreme Court and then we'll see where that issue goes. The lower courts don't have a final say.


You "think"? No, you anti-wall people aren't thinking when you don't even bother to research the wall issue and how effective the good walls have been. You're either blinded by your hatred of Trump, hire illegals for profit, have ethnic ties to illegals or are bleeding heart liberals without a brain in your heads. That's doesn't equate to "thinking"! The facts speak for themselves of which you and yours choose to ignore.


I guess you don't mind the over $100 billion price tag of the costs of illegal aliens though? The wall is to deter foreigners from coming here illegally, they aren't Americans! WTH? The DACAs aren't Americans either that requires citizenship papers. If they and their parents were decent they'd leave our country and go back to their homelands where they belong and apply to come back legally like legal immigrants do. The process doesn't begin on our soil.
The Dreamers are now a part of the fabric of our society and our ECONOMY. Even Trump knows that. Deporting millions of Dreamers would decimate this economy.

In fact, with our current low unemployment - even Trump knows we need MORE workers and not less. It's why he has talked about more work Visas, etc.

Deporting the dreamers will never happen.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:35 AM
 
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Obviously I understand that given the makeup of Congress, compromise is necessary to stop the impasse but I'll honestly say that as a Trump supporter and the son of LEGAL immigrants, Trump has already compromised significantly more than the Democrats.

As a voter here is what I actually believe:

If someone is illegal, they don't deserve anything. I think DACA should be rescinded and they should have NO path to citizenship and that they should just be happy we're not able to deport them all. Illegal aliens in my opinion are NOT entitled to in-state college tuition or shouldn't even have the right to education or health care at all in the United States. I also believe in an Israeli-style concrete barrier going at least 20 feet underground to prevent tunnels and with sensors and drones flying across the border at all times. I also believe birthright citizenship should be modified where at least one parent has to be in the U.S. legally.

I would also be okay with the use of snipers and drone strikes against Mexican drug cartels and traffickers along the border.

So yes what Trump has done is compromise MUCH more than the Democrats have. Given that I now recognize the need for compromise given the makeup of Congress, I can LIVE WITH (not necessarily like) DACA recipients being given permanent residency but not citizenship, and their illegal parents should have zero respite. No illegal alien who came over the age of 18 should get any kind of amnesty. This in exchange for the wall. Either all this or the complete and permanent defunding of Planned Parenthood and the permanent repeal of Obamacare in exchange for no wall and continued DACA.

The Democrats haven't compromise a single bit. This is why I believe Trump must keep the government closed until the Democrats back down. If Trump re-opens the government now we get nothing and the Democrats get everything they want- no wall, plus amnesty for DACA and other illegals.
As a legal immigrant, Trump’s comprise is a great insult!
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:37 AM
 
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The Dreamers are now a part of the fabric of our society and our ECONOMY. Even Trump knows that. Deporting millions of Dreamers would decimate this economy.

In fact, with our current low unemployment - even Trump knows we need MORE workers and not less. It's why he has talked about more work Visas, etc.

Deporting the dreamers will never happen.
The word is NOT, not NOW.

The nightmarers do not have the legal standing to be here. They should go home and apply for legal immigration like everyone else.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:39 AM
 
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So, tell me. Do you have a problem that we took in boat people after the Vietnam War or displaced people after WWII? Are you just opposed to people who can walk here?

Immigration laws have needed a big overhaul for years. The Senate tried to do a bipartisan bill some years ago, but it went nowhere in the Republican controlled house.
There are still areas that were targeted for fences with the 2006 law that are unfenced because landowners are still fighting it in the courts. Trump's dumb wall doesn't fix that. The Democrats want to repair and replace old fencing. Got a problem with that? The Democrats want to increase border patrol agents and judges. Got a problem with that? The Democrats want to use modern technology to help patrol the border. Got a problem with that?

Besides that, why the sudden thing with one caravan after another? That's not business as usual. Did it ever occur to you that someone is down there stirring this up for a purpose?
If they follow the legal process.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:50 AM
 
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What compromise do you want the Democrats to make?
Something like this happened when Reagan was present. Do what Dems want and they work with him after. Dems didn't keep their promise and that's why we still have the problem today.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Similar to what President Trump proposed - but giving permanent residency to the Dreamers (NOT their parents) in exchange for the border wall and the $5 in border security. This would be compromising within the border security and immigration issue.

If there is no border wall and full amnesty for illegals, then in exchange I would demand the complete defunding of Planned Parenthood or the permanent and complete repeal of Obamacare. This would be giving the left a large victory in something they're passionate about in exchange for us getting a large victory in something WE are passionate about. The only issue I can more about than illegal immigration is abortion.
So you would take healthcare away from millions in order to placate Trump? I don't think so. The only way that would fly is if Obamacare was immediately replaced with a Medicare for all solution. Then and only then would repeal of the ACA be allowed.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:56 AM
 
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Wait till DACA gets to the Supreme Court and then we'll see where that issue goes. The lower courts don't have a final say.
Why should the courts have any say?
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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So you would take healthcare away from millions in order to placate Trump? I don't think so. The only way that would fly is if Obamacare was immediately replaced with a Medicare for all solution. Then and only then would repeal of the ACA be allowed.
ahzzie, you do realize that a lot of people lost their insurance because of Obamacare right?
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Old 01-21-2019, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Houston
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ahzzie, you do realize that a lot of people lost their insurance because of Obamacare right?
And even more people were able to afford health insurance that were never able to before so I fail to see your point.
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