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The descendants of the Holocaust victims didn't get them. My grandparents thanked their lucky stars that they left Europe in time and didn't ask to get paid for losing their parents and siblings and nieces and nephews. They felt blessed to be in America, where their children had a chance to study hard, go to college, and live comfortable middle-class lIves. Which they did. Every single one.
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That still doesn't answer my question.
You asked why black Americans don't get reparations. The answer is that only direct survivors get reparations - not descendants (and certain,ya not descendants four and five generations removed).
And my point was that blacks don't need reparations to enjoy a middle-class life. They need to work hard, take advantage of the free educational opportunities available, don't have babies before marriage, and it's done. There was plenty of discrimination against Jews, and they made it. So blacks can make it as well.
You asked why black Americans don't get reparations. The answer is that only direct survivors get reparations - not descendants (and certain,ya not descendants four and five generations removed).
And my point was that blacks don't need reparations to enjoy a middle-class life. They need to work hard, take advantage of the free educational opportunities available, don't have babies before marriage, and it's done. There was plenty of discrimination against Jews, and they made it. So blacks can make it as well.
I don't care what your point is. The point, if other groups are getting them, then what Black Americans have gone through, considering the magnitude of it, they should have been able to get them in the first place. This is not whether or not Black people could live middle class without them. You're sidestepping the point.
And something else. Germany pays those reparations, not the USA. And the descendants of those who survived the internment camps were able to get reparations. If those who weren't in the camps could get them, why not Black Americans?
Something else. At least your relatives were able to come here with the hope of doing better. My ancestors didn't have they option. They didn't get a say in whether to come or not. They were brought here under duress and basically treated like prisoners for about 200 years.
I don't care what your point is. The point, if other groups are getting them, then what Black Americans have gone through, considering the magnitude of it, they should have been able to get them in the first place. This is not whether or not Black people could live middle class without them. You're sidestepping the point.
And something else. Germany pays those reparations, not the USA. And the descendants of those who survived the internment camps were able to get reparations. If those who weren't in the camps could get them, why not Black Americans?
Something else. At least your relatives were able to come here with the hope of doing better. My ancestors didn't have they option. They didn't get a say in whether to come or not. They were brought here under duress and basically treated like prisoners for about 200 years.
Well if you don't care what the point of my post was, as you dismissively say, then why should I post again to answer you?
Native Americans get reparations. Japanese-Americans got reparations AND an apology. But when talking about Black Americans, the answer is always "NO". Black Americans should have gotten them over 150 years ago. The answer ended up being "no" back then too. And no, affirmative action is not reparations. White females benefit from it. Welfare is not reparations. Anyone can get welfare.
This is how I see it. Black people didn't come to America on their own volition. Blacks are the only group who came here wtih absolutely no say in the deal. They didn't immigrate here. They didn't come here as indentured servants. They came as basically permanent captives. And their descendants would be born as slaves. At least 200 years of slavery. Japanese-Americans can get reparations and an apology. And don't give me that crap about "well, the ones who should get them are dead". The heirs of those imprisoned got them. Why not Black Americans?
No one that was harmed, is alive today.
Give me back my forefathers land. I don't want money!!
I want back the 400 million acres, stole from my ancestors.
Not that reparations will ever happen, but just in case, the following groups are exempt:
From contributing:
1) All whites whose ancestors arrived here after 1865
2) Any whites who earn less than $50,000 ind or $100,000 Joint
That's probably 75% of the country right there.
From receiving:
1) Any blacks who earn more than $50,000 ind or $100,000 joint
2) any blacks whose ancestors arrived post-1865
3) Any blacks whose ancestors themselves owned slaves
4) Any blacks who were admitted to college under the lower affirmative action standards (they already received a form of reparation)
Finally, any black receiving reparations must submit to a quarterly drug test.
Fair?
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