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Old 12-14-2019, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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You guys can keep your gas burners....I'm going electric!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIV9nb9w_Hw
Yep, Tesla cars are amazing. The efficiency of a battery motor versus an ICE motor means the battery is the future for autos.

 
Old 12-14-2019, 08:44 PM
 
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You guys can keep your gas burners....I'm going electric!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIV9nb9w_Hw
I just went electric. It’s great!
 
Old 12-14-2019, 09:27 PM
 
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I just went electric. It’s great!
If everyone did, where would the power come from? They would all collectively draw current that isn't generated or distributed today.
 
Old 12-14-2019, 10:50 PM
 
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Yep, Tesla cars are amazing. The efficiency of a battery motor versus an ICE motor means the battery is the future for autos.

The primary hit to efficiency for electric occurs during production and transmission of the power. The newest natural gas plants use combined cycle and may reach an efficiency of 60% at best when run constantly. Because of up and down demands from consumers and the unpredictable power generation form renewable resources they are not run constantly . There is also inefficiencies introduced for transmission.



How this stacks up against gasoline I don't know but you do need to consider the total energy expense, not just the point of use.
 
Old 12-14-2019, 10:57 PM
 
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If everyone did, where would the power come from? They would all collectively draw current that isn't generated or distributed today.

There is a large amount of capacity available at night for most regions however extreme weather events like 0 degrees in the Northeast is not going to work.
 
Old 12-14-2019, 11:02 PM
 
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The primary hit to efficiency for electric occurs during production and transmission of the power. The newest natural gas plants use combined cycle and may reach an efficiency of 60% at best when run constantly. Because of up and down demands from consumers and the unpredictable power generation form renewable resources they are not run constantly . There is also inefficiencies introduced for transmission.



How this stacks up against gasoline I don't know but you do need to consider the total energy expense, not just the point of use.
It sounds like CNG would make a better vehicle then.
 
Old 12-14-2019, 11:27 PM
 
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It sounds like CNG would make a better vehicle then.

It's almost always the most efficient to directly use a fuel at it's point of use. You'd have to compare the effcicny of the negine vs. the plant, transmission losses vs. energy expense to get it to vehicle etc.



That said I'm not sure I'm interested in driving around small bomb. Gasoline and electric have their own dangers but a flammable gas compressed into liquid state that instantly expands into a significant volume of gas when decompressed raises the bar significantly.
 
Old 12-14-2019, 11:38 PM
 
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It's almost always the most efficient to directly use a fuel at it's point of use. You'd have to compare the effcicny of the negine vs. the plant, transmission losses vs. energy expense to get it to vehicle etc.



That said I'm not sure I'm interested in driving around small bomb. Gasoline and electric have their own dangers but a flammable gas compressed into liquid state that instantly expands into a significant volume of gas when decompressed raises the bar significantly.
CNG is said to be as safe as gasoline in a vehicle. The tanks are reportedly designed not to react that way in a failure.
 
Old 12-15-2019, 07:19 AM
 
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CNG is said to be as safe as gasoline in a vehicle. The tanks are reportedly designed not to react that way in a failure.
Even during a collision?
 
Old 12-15-2019, 08:20 AM
 
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https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a7065616.html

Norway is increasingly seen as the envy of the world. It is FIRST place in the world happiness index. It is #5 in median income (U.S. is behind at #8). It has a debt-to-GDP ratio of -90.5 percent. In other words it has a national surplus, not a national debt.

Norway has obviously made a lot of good decisions. Now they are making another good decision by banning the sale of fossil-fuel-powered vehicles by 2025. Not the 2030 plan of Gov. Jay Inslee, which was seen as way too ambitious and radical but 2025.

Can someone please explain to me why we are not following Norway's lead????
Because they are a postage stamp compared to USA......when you have 3,000 miles to cover you need kero.......
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