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So what are you saying? Is she promoting sanctions against a Catholic country, along with the Jewish country, and just objecting when it's against Arabs and Muslims? From what I recall, she was opposed to sanctions against Iran, going on about the innocent people being hurt. Then she turns around and promotes sanctions against Israel.
How you people can deny Omar's double-standards when it comes to Jews and Israel just proves how deep the anti-Jew bias is. Also tells me the extent to which you will go to whitewash or deny antisemitism. You might as well just send a telegram - oops, a TEXT, sorry - to the antisemites saying "antisemitism is fine and dandy, so have at it."
Please go back and read her Op-Ed before jumping to any more ridiculous conclusions. Here is what Omar actually said:
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This is an unmistakable echo of the failed U.S. strategy of “maximum pressure” on Iran and Venezuela. And just as with those two countries, it would be a humanitarian and geopolitical disaster.
And later she states:
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After years of improving relations between the United States and Iran, the sanctions put in place by the Trump administration have instead devastated that country’s middle class and increased hostility toward the United States, with tensions between the two countries rising to dangerous levels.
The sanctions have simultaneously strengthened the Iranian regime’s credibility at home and united human rights activists and the Iranian leadership in opposition to the strategy. One dire effect of the sanctions has been an entirely preventable shortage of life-saving medicine. A group of Iranian women’s rights activists recently wrote, “While sanctions proponents claim to care for the Iranian people, their policies have left an entire nation weary, depressed and hopeless. Sanctions, and economic pressure, target the fabric of society.”
The same backward logic was applied to Venezuela, where the Trump administration intended to squeeze Nicolás Maduro out of power through increasingly sweeping sanctions on the state oil company and then the central bank — only to find itself involved in an intractable crisis that risks descending into civil war.
There’s no question that the bulk of the economic crisis in Venezuela was caused by Maduro’s government, which inherited fixable problems and failed to address them. But U.S. sanctions have worsened Venezuela’s economic disaster — and handed Maduro a propaganda victory. He can now shift blame to the United States, while retaining his grip on power.
That would never be politically possible in Israel for any attempt would tear the country apart, which you must know. Likewise, the Palestinians will not formally drop the right of return.
So if the Palestinians don't want to end the conflict, what do you want from Israel?
In 2005 Israel removed settlements, there were some minor riots and that all. We can do it again, but for what?
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Expansion of the settlements with movement along the continuum to outright annexation with reduced rights for Palestinians is not the answer.
Why not? If they don't want peace, why do they need to receive a prize?
Please go back and read her Op-Ed before jumping to any more ridiculous conclusions. Here is what Omar actually said:
And later she states:
What is your problem? She is arguing AGAINST sanctions - and she gives Venezuela and Iran as examples of the harm that come from them! Her entire op-Ed is on the negative consequences of sanctions. One big reason: it hurts innocent people.
Unless Israel, of course. Then she is leading the charge. She is arguing FOR sanctions against them, hoping to put the squeeze on innocent people.
So if the Palestinians don't want to end the conflict, what do you want from Israel?
In 2005 Israel removed settlements, there were some minor riots and that all. We can do it again, but for what?
Why not? If they don't want peace, why do they need to receive a prize?
Why not keep building? ... Fine, the Israelis will take more land, impose more restrictions ... there will be negative reactions from Palestinians ... the BDS will do their thing ... there will be Jewish counter-propaganda ... it's all pretty predictable.
Like I said, no need to get too bent out of shape about various BDS rhetoric or tactics. It's part of a chain of related events. The "prize" of which you speak should be a stability (even if not a final peace agreement) that benefit many - not only those who want cheap land etc. or whomever needs the votes of the Israeli religious right.
Why not keep building? ... Fine, the Israelis will take more land ... there will be negative reactions from Palestinians ... the BDS will do their thing ... there will be Jewish counter-propaganda ... it's all pretty predictable.
Like I said, no need to get too bent out of shape about various BDS rhetoric or tactics. It's part of a chain of related events. The "prize" of which you speak should be a stability (even if not a final peace agreement) that benefit many - not only those who want cheap land etc. or whomever needs the votes of the Israeli religious right.
BDS "does their thing," Palestinians "react negatively" - and Jews put out propaganda.
What about instead.... the terrorist-associated BDS will spew more of its proganda, Palestinians will lob rockets at young Jewish children, and Israel will respond to the continuing smear campaign against it.
BDS "does their thing," Palestinians "react negatively" - and Jews put out propaganda.
What about instead.... the terrorist-associated BDS will spew more of its proganda, Palestinians will lob rockets at young Jewish children, and Israel will respond to the continuing smear campaign against it.
You skipped that the Israelis keep pushing the Palestinians into smaller and smaller areas of the West Bank. With that, there is no possibility of reaching some relatively quiet status quo. There's just no way around it. Look, I'm empathetic to Israeli security needs etc. - but the settlement expansion is simply not defensible. This is what is happening today that impacts the future. It's a shame, but there it is. The settlements work to undercut various Israeli arguments.
as far as i am aware of Judaism, Islam and Christianity are ALL children of Abraham..although maybe not a common viewpoint ive heard it said Christianity can be considered to be a Jewish sect and Islam a christian sect....i have heard it claimed without religion we don't have morals...
if using religion one cannot stop us from killing one another then perhaps it does NOT have any claim on moral authority
i was raised catholic and became spiritual about 20years ago and pretty much get inner peace that way..spiritualism does not deny god in any way but i think it says that "God" is the most personal relationship a human being can have and should not kow-tow to some organization period
Why not keep building? ... Fine, the Israelis will take more land, impose more restrictions ... there will be negative reactions from Palestinians ... the BDS will do their thing ... there will be Jewish counter-propaganda ... it's all pretty predictable.
Like I said, no need to get too bent out of shape about various BDS rhetoric or tactics. It's part of a chain of related events. The "prize" of which you speak should be a stability (even if not a final peace agreement) that benefit many - not only those who want cheap land etc. or whomever needs the votes of the Israeli religious right.
BDS will do its thing even if Israel was the size of Tel Aviv. Why people cannot understand that the conflict is not about "occupation" but because Islam cannot accept a Jewish state? Muslims believe that Jews lost their country and now Muslims are the God-chosen ones, that they inherited the Jews. But now the Jews came and took their country back. And the Muslims think "so, who are we now, if the Jews are back in Jerusalem and Eretz Israel?"
That the main point here.
What is your problem? She is arguing AGAINST sanctions - and she gives Venezuela and Iran as examples of the harm that come from them! Her entire op-Ed is on the negative consequences of sanctions. One big reason: it hurts innocent people.
Unless Israel, of course. Then she is leading the charge. She is arguing FOR sanctions against them, hoping to put the squeeze on innocent people.
Again, I’ll let Rep. Omar’s words speak for themselves. This is quoted from her website:
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SUPPORT A PEACE THAT AFFIRMS THE SAFETY AND RIGHTS OF BOTH PALESTINIANS AND ISRAELIS
Stability in the Middle East depends on the establishment of a lasting peace between Palestinians and Israelis. But without justice, there will never be peace. The United States must work with the international community, and not unilaterally, to work towards a solution. I will use my voice in Congress and work with communities on the ground to center the ultimate goal of self-determination and peace.
Fight against efforts from the Trump administration to undermine the peace process, and support autonomy for the Israeli and Palestinian peoples to define what a solution looks like
Uplift the voices of Palestinians demanding an end to the occupation of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and end the siege of Gaza
Oppose the killing of civilians in Gaza and the expansion of settlements into the West Bank
BDS will do its thing even if Israel was the size of Tel Aviv. Why people cannot understand that the conflict is not about "occupation" but because Islam cannot accept a Jewish state? Muslims believe that Jews lost their country and now Muslims are the God-chosen ones, that they inherited the Jews. But now the Jews came and took their country back. And the Muslims think "so, who are we now, if the Jews are back in Jerusalem and Eretz Israel?"
That the main point here.
This.
It goes even beyond that. The Palestinians are used by the Islamic world to wage war against Israel in order for them to claim the Holy Land for themselves. They cannot accept the fact that Jerusalem, the third holiest city in Islam is under Jewish control, even though for Jews it is the holiest of places. Muslims also never relinquished their hold on Constantinople, a place of great import to Orthodox Christians.
I do feel bad for the Palestinians caught up in this, but unfortunately I I don't see the Islamic world accepting Israel anytime soon.
Had Israel been founded in the US, Canada or somewhere in Europe, I'm sure they wouldn't care.
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