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The post you were responding to included the Jewish settlements (Gaza etc.), with you then narrowing your response.
Would you extend that analogy to the West Bank settlements? I already made a separate comment on the Golan Heights, saying I had no problem with the Israelis maintaining a defensive position there.
The settlements are not the problem. They can be removed like we did in Gaza and in north Samaria.
The issue here is the demand for the "right of return" of 7 millions Arab "refugees". This is the heart of the conflict.
Why did the neighbor bring the gun? Is it because you claimed your great great grandfather lived there 200 years ago and moved them out with the help of the court and police?
Prelude is also essential.
It has been said that all analogies walk with a limp. Thus, it's usually best not to try to extrapolate an analogy.
But since you bring it up, IIRC my history, it was the Assyrians (Syrians) who invaded what is now Israel around the 8th century BC, and in particular Assyrian King Sargon II. He pursued a program of ethnic cleansing against the Jews who lived their, even replacing the language with 'Aramaic' which was the tongue of Assyria. Aramaic was still the lingua franca around the time of Jesus, who is thought by historians to have used Aramaic, not Hebrew (or even Greek) as his primary language.
The settlements are not the problem. They can be removed like we did in Gaza and in north Samaria.
The issue here is the demand for the "right of return" of 7 millions Arab "refugees". This is the heart of the conflict.
That would never be politically possible in Israel for any attempt would tear the country apart, which you must know. Likewise, the Palestinians will not formally drop the right of return. There appears to be no formal resolution in sight - with the only real question then how well do folks live together while continuing to maintain an admittedly fragile status quo.
Expansion of the settlements with movement along the continuum to outright annexation with reduced rights for Palestinians is not the answer.
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So your next door neighbor, who has vowed to run you out of the neighborhood and even to kill you, comes over and sticks a loaded shotgun in your face. You snatch it out of his hand and knock him upside the head, sending him running off, whimpering.
He comes back the next day and demands his "property" back--his loaded shotgun. Do you hand it back to him???
Strawman argument. And for what it's worth, Syria might be a little less hostile if the Golan Heights were returned
Back on topic to Ilhan Omar, there is a writer/lawyer named Scott Johnson who has done a ton of digging on her twisted and checkered history. It appears almost certain that her real name is not Omar, but instead Elmi. She came to the US in 1995, married Ahmed Hirsi in 2002. Then around 2009 she married Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, who Johnson says was actually her brother. He had arrived in the US via London, and likely needed the marriage in order to stay in the US legally.
According to Johnson, the state dept in 2008 implemented genetic testing of family reunification immigrants from Somalia and concluded that 87% of applicants to the reunification program were fraudulently claiming familial relationships, so the program was suspended. Ilhan Omar came in prior to the genetic testing. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...rious-case.php
I don't really blame her too much for all of this. She was only about 12 or 13 when she came to the US. She was the quintessential 'dreamer.' I don't think she belongs in the US House, however. And I do think she is an anti-Semite.
It has been said that all analogies walk with a limp. Thus, it's usually best not to try to extrapolate an analogy.
But since you bring it up, IIRC my history, it was the Assyrians (Syrians) who invaded what is now Israel around the 8th century BC, and in particular Assyrian King Sargon II. He pursued a program of ethnic cleansing against the Jews who lived their, even replacing the language with 'Aramaic' which was the tongue of Assyria. Aramaic was still the lingua franca around the time of Jesus, who is thought by historians to have used Aramaic, not Hebrew (or even Greek) as his primary language.
How far back do we want prelude to go?
And interestingly, nobody ever mentions the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Israel. Neither do they have much to say about the expulsion of nearly 1 million Jews from their homes in Arab countries. If someone brings it up, the anti-Israel crowd attempts to redirect attention back to sole focus on what Israel has done wrong.
Here's another analogy: you are a teacher, and six kids - one black and five white - break the ceramic figurines lining the windowsill. You glare at the black kid, tell him how careless and bad he is, and say nothing to the whites. Another black kid, observing the singling out, says, "what about the whites? The teacher then turns her snark to the black kid who defended the " target," and says, "we're not talking about what the white kids did wrong....we are only talking about the black kid and his wrongdoing!"
The question would be "why." WHY focus on only the wrongdoing of the black kid, and give the whites a pass? There is only one explanation: the teacher is driven by bias against blacks.
So your next door neighbor, who has vowed to run you out of the neighborhood and even to kill you, comes over and sticks a loaded shotgun in your face. You snatch it out of his hand and knock him upside the head, sending him running off, whimpering.
He comes back the next day and demands his "property" back--his loaded shotgun. Do you hand it back to him???
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Strawman argument. And for what it's worth, Syria might be a little less hostile if the Golan Heights were returned
I don't think you know the definition of 'strawman.' A strawman is when you attribute to an interlocutor a point that was never made. Then you proceed to argue against said point. Clearly, I didn't do anything remotely close to that.
A 'strawman' is not when you find yourself confronted with a difficult question that you are completely unable to respond to.
Again, do you hand the loaded shotgun back to the neighbor???? Answer the question!!!
Reagan didn't do it, HW Bush didn't, W Bush didn't, Obama didn't--but Trump did.
Yes, kudos for Trump for that. He's the best friend to the Jews that I've seen in a long time, and yet.....liberals still insist that he's antisemitic. (And they insist that OMar is NOT.)
Rep. Ilhan Omar recently published an op-ed arguing against economic sanctions on Turkey. She actually makes some good points in the piece, such as:
But Omar still supports the BDS (boycott, divest, sanction) against Israel, which even Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said she considers as anti-Semitic in nature. Omar denies being anti-Semitic.
The obvious question then is: why? Why rail against sanctions in general, but support them in one case, and one case only?
Ilhan is anti Israel Govt not anti Israel people. It's possible to protest a Govt and not its citizenry.
What is happening in Israel / Palestine today is the equivalent of Apartheid in South Africa.
People can not look beyond headlines and sound bites though. So don't expect anything to change.
How do you reconcile that most Jews vote Democrat? All of my Jewish friends vote Democrat (or for other left wing parties) and support the existence of Israel. Maybe you're just a partisan hack?
Because in most cases, they are secular Jews for whom Judaism takes a back seat to liberalism. It's also just a pattern of voting D regardless: after all, they considered FDR their hero, even though he sent Jews at the shoreline back to Hitler's waiting arms.
And did you have to be a typical liberal and swipe with that partisan hack line? YOU are just as partisan as I am, but on the opposite side. And not sure what you meant by "hack," unless Jews who object to antisemitic comments and attitudes are hacks in your mind.
Mosep sounds like a very Israeli name to me, btw.
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